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Nalha Saldana
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-10-05 14:42:41 UTC
Why are we still allowed to shoot our own corp members in highsec?

I can see why this was needed when crimewatch was a mess and you needed permission to loot corpmates wrecks or when duels didn't exist but this is a thing of the past.

"AWOXing" in highsec simply drives noobs and industrialists out of corps into NPC corps where they are safe, that is something we should avoid.

Some of you might tell me to HTFU or that this is content that will be removed but its not about me as a experienced player, I can deal with this.
No, this is about the noobs and people who don't want to pvp, they should be wanting to join player corps where they can be wardecced and do stuff together that creates way more content than the AWOXers will ever do.
Christopher Mabata
Northern Accounts and Systems
#2 - 2014-10-05 14:52:12 UTC
1. Because AWOX'ing is part of the meta now, it teaches people proper recruitment screening and not to put too much at risk if they cant afford it.
2. It allows corps to do PVP tournaments in highsec without worry of someone interrupting it
3. its an avenue for war deccers ( for example they tackle your mining fleet with a skiff that is in corp or an arazu etc. and then warp into system to kill you
4. because content is good
5. Why would it need to be removed it encourages player interaction in good and bad ways, which MMO's are supposed to do

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Leonard Nimoy II
Doomheim
#3 - 2014-10-05 14:58:35 UTC
So who AWOX'd you?
Christopher Mabata
Northern Accounts and Systems
#4 - 2014-10-05 15:00:54 UTC
Leonard Nimoy II wrote:
So who AWOX'd you?


Oh and this Twisted

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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#5 - 2014-10-05 15:20:44 UTC
Its kind of important to be able to tackle your own corpmates to keep them on grid if they disconnect while aggressed in a system full of hostiles that could potentially scan out and kill him while he's totally helpless.

This is just another "please make it so nobody can shoot me in jighsec" thread with a "think of the children" argument. Which is absurd because new players are basically never the target of awoxing, old players with expensive, loot piñata pve ships or ransomable things lIke orcas are.
Nalha Saldana
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-10-05 15:41:18 UTC
Christopher Mabata wrote:
1. Because AWOX'ing is part of the meta now, it teaches people proper recruitment screening and not to put too much at risk if they cant afford it.
2. It allows corps to do PVP tournaments in highsec without worry of someone interrupting it
3. its an avenue for war deccers ( for example they tackle your mining fleet with a skiff that is in corp or an arazu etc. and then warp into system to kill you
4. because content is good
5. Why would it need to be removed it encourages player interaction in good and bad ways, which MMO's are supposed to do


Ok ill bite

1. Sure but even in a system where concord doesnt allow killing your corp members you can do stuff with spying and bumping that makes screening important.
2. Can still be done through multiple duels but has problems with logi, CCP has talked about a system for this and with a change like this it would be a good idea
3. same as 1
4. Yes i agree but having people actually join corps and do things with them brings even more content and through wardeccs bring better highsec pvp where there are actually 2 sides fighting
5. Interaction actually increases when people are not in NPC corps, both internal or with other corps in war

Leonard Nimoy II wrote:
So who AWOX'd you?


Ok i can admit some stuff happened but I don't care about the stuff I lost (easily replaceable) but corp mates reaction is what got me thinking about the issue.


You guys need to realize that more secure can bring more content in terms of both creation and destruction even if its not utterly obvious.
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#7 - 2014-10-05 16:19:37 UTC
Show us on the doll where the evil AWOXer touched you.

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Nalha Saldana
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-10-05 16:26:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Nalha Saldana
Jack Carrigan wrote:
Show us on the doll where the evil AWOXer touched you.


http://i.imgur.com/UoPlKJR.jpg
Iain Cariaba
#9 - 2014-10-05 16:36:43 UTC
Seriously, OP, you're going to get zero sympathy for this, and nothing but ridicule for posting this with a NPC corp alt that it doesn't apply to anyway.

You need to look at an awox loss and say, "Well ****, that sucked. How do we keep that from happening again?" If you or your corpmates can't deal with keeping awoxers out in highsec, then you're really going to hurt in other areas of the game, areas where your corpmates may be the only people in the game not out to get you.
Nalha Saldana
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-10-05 16:40:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Nalha Saldana
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Seriously, OP, you're going to get zero sympathy for this, and nothing but ridicule for posting this with a NPC corp alt that it doesn't apply to anyway.

You need to look at an awox loss and say, "Well ****, that sucked. How do we keep that from happening again?" If you or your corpmates can't deal with keeping awoxers out in highsec, then you're really going to hurt in other areas of the game, areas where your corpmates may be the only people in the game not out to get you.


Ok its not the smartest thing that im in a NPC corp right now, its just because of standings for FW..

Tho I have years of nullsec, wormhole and lowsec experience with thousands of kills, there the rules work as they are designed. The fact that you can shoot corpmates in highsec breaks those rules and feels like a oddity that shouldn't exist.
Iain Cariaba
#11 - 2014-10-05 16:53:17 UTC
Nalha Saldana wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Seriously, OP, you're going to get zero sympathy for this, and nothing but ridicule for posting this with a NPC corp alt that it doesn't apply to anyway.

You need to look at an awox loss and say, "Well ****, that sucked. How do we keep that from happening again?" If you or your corpmates can't deal with keeping awoxers out in highsec, then you're really going to hurt in other areas of the game, areas where your corpmates may be the only people in the game not out to get you.


Ok its not the smartest thing that im in a NPC corp right now, its just because of standings for FW..

Tho I have years of nullsec, wormhole and lowsec experience with thousands of kills, there the rules work as they are designed. The fact that you can shoot corpmates in highsec breaks those rules and feels like a oddity that shouldn't exist.

The rules work the same regardless of where you are, the only difference between highsec and everywhere else is Concord. Simply apply the same base screening process to your highsec corp as you would your nullsec or wormhole corp.
Nalha Saldana
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-10-05 16:59:16 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Nalha Saldana wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Seriously, OP, you're going to get zero sympathy for this, and nothing but ridicule for posting this with a NPC corp alt that it doesn't apply to anyway.

You need to look at an awox loss and say, "Well ****, that sucked. How do we keep that from happening again?" If you or your corpmates can't deal with keeping awoxers out in highsec, then you're really going to hurt in other areas of the game, areas where your corpmates may be the only people in the game not out to get you.


Ok its not the smartest thing that im in a NPC corp right now, its just because of standings for FW..

Tho I have years of nullsec, wormhole and lowsec experience with thousands of kills, there the rules work as they are designed. The fact that you can shoot corpmates in highsec breaks those rules and feels like a oddity that shouldn't exist.

The rules work the same regardless of where you are, the only difference between highsec and everywhere else is Concord. Simply apply the same base screening process to your highsec corp as you would your nullsec or wormhole corp.


With the main difference that in nullsec and wormhole space you have pvpers in your corp, do you know how difficult it would be to have a corp that does industry and serious pvp in the same corp in highsec?
Iain Cariaba
#13 - 2014-10-05 17:16:22 UTC
Nalha Saldana wrote:
With the main difference that in nullsec and wormhole space you have pvpers in your corp, do you know how difficult it would be to have a corp that does industry and serious pvp in the same corp in highsec?

So which one is your corp, the industry or PvP? I'm confused because your request is that of a highsec carebear trying to remove risk from the game, yet you say you're in NPC corp because of FW, which is generally PvP.

Bottom line is this, awoxers are just another risk you take for wanting to operate your own corp. With a basic screening, you can weed out the obvious awoxers, and running a deeper check on those who pass the basic screen will weed out most of the rest. Remember, if they can shoot you because they are in corp with you, then you can also shoot them as well.
Marsan
#14 - 2014-10-05 17:26:36 UTC
I think the OP has a point. Corps are dangerous enough without worrying about if the guy you recruited yesterday is going to start hunting random people in your corp. It makes no sense that corp on corp violence is treated differently. Also note you can still web things via the dueling mechanic.

Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a grumpy small portion of the community.
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#15 - 2014-10-05 17:26:47 UTC
Nalha Saldana wrote:
Jack Carrigan wrote:
Show us on the doll where the evil AWOXer touched you.


http://i.imgur.com/UoPlKJR.jpg


Awesome!

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Nalha Saldana
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2014-10-05 17:32:02 UTC
Marsan wrote:
I think the OP has a point. Corps are dangerous enough without worrying about if the guy you recruited yesterday is going to start hunting random people in your corp. It makes no sense that corp on corp violence is treated differently. Also note you can still web things via the dueling mechanic.


Here's a guy that gets my point, its such a unnecessary mechanic.

Also what does it matter what I do? Look at the arguments instead because i have characters everywhere doing a bunch of different things.
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#17 - 2014-10-05 17:32:44 UTC
Being able to backstab, pillage, and burn those who trust you has always been a fundamental part of Eve. I'm not going to say that it is a positive thing, but it is a part of Eve.

Until CCP decides that they might attract more subscribers if they softened Eve up some, the OP is just going to have to do what the rest of us did, HTFU.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Nalha Saldana
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2014-10-05 17:38:34 UTC
FT Diomedes wrote:
Being able to backstab, pillage, and burn those who trust you has always been a fundamental part of Eve. I'm not going to say that it is a positive thing, but it is a part of Eve.

Until CCP decides that they might attract more subscribers if they softened Eve up some, the OP is just going to have to do what the rest of us did, HTFU.


Oh trust me there are still a ton of other ways to pillage burn and backstab but if we have concord in highsec they should do their job unless there is a actual thought through gameplay mechanic around it (like wardecs).
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#19 - 2014-10-05 17:55:50 UTC
Nalha Saldana wrote:
FT Diomedes wrote:
Being able to backstab, pillage, and burn those who trust you has always been a fundamental part of Eve. I'm not going to say that it is a positive thing, but it is a part of Eve.

Until CCP decides that they might attract more subscribers if they softened Eve up some, the OP is just going to have to do what the rest of us did, HTFU.


Oh trust me there are still a ton of other ways to pillage burn and backstab but if we have concord in highsec they should do their job unless there is a actual thought through gameplay mechanic around it (like wardecs).


Concord is the problem with high sec, not the solution to its problems.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Nalha Saldana
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2014-10-05 17:58:43 UTC
FT Diomedes wrote:
Nalha Saldana wrote:
FT Diomedes wrote:
Being able to backstab, pillage, and burn those who trust you has always been a fundamental part of Eve. I'm not going to say that it is a positive thing, but it is a part of Eve.

Until CCP decides that they might attract more subscribers if they softened Eve up some, the OP is just going to have to do what the rest of us did, HTFU.


Oh trust me there are still a ton of other ways to pillage burn and backstab but if we have concord in highsec they should do their job unless there is a actual thought through gameplay mechanic around it (like wardecs).


Concord is the problem with high sec, not the solution to its problems.


I can somewhat agree with you there but either we have it or we dont, halfway measures is not the way to go.
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