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Reapplying skillpoints

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Dave Stark
#21 - 2014-10-05 19:23:39 UTC
just like every single whining cretin who didn't like a change that affected them...

no you can't have an SP refund. stop whining.
Vyl Vit
#22 - 2014-10-05 19:26:05 UTC
OP: You've got to be kidding.

Rather: Make good decisions.

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#23 - 2014-10-05 22:02:53 UTC
Arsine Mayhem wrote:
I've always thought you should have respecs, like any other game. Game mechanics change, new equipment, play style. Many start as an industrial toon, let them go to pvp if they want.

Yea, you can buy a character, not something i'd do. You lose the feeling of your toon growing up, and where it's been and done, rep with different factions, etc.

Would hardly be any different than buying / selling toons, i really don't see much difference.

I believe it's just one more way they stifle their game. Not my paycheck though.


other games your character can only play a rather specific role or two. The penalty for making a mistake as a noob would be too high. Imagine that extra point you put into something as a noob is a wasted skill point out of the limited number your character can ever earn. not to mention how often devs make dramatic changes fairly randomly.

In eve, I just switch ships, and most of my skills carryover, plus all the highly specialized skills I have also trained on top. I have JDC 5, and I've never even owned a cap. My alt has a bunch of industry skills that I almost never use. Maybe getting those refunded would be nice, maybe I will eventually want to use them, I don't really know right now, but either way I have them and I still have everything else I've ever trained.

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2014-10-06 00:08:03 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
other games your character can only play a rather specific role or two. The penalty for making a mistake as a noob would be too high. Imagine that extra point you put into something as a noob is a wasted skill point out of the limited number your character can ever earn. not to mention how often devs make dramatic changes fairly randomly.

In eve, I just switch ships, and most of my skills carryover, plus all the highly specialized skills I have also trained on top. I have JDC 5, and I've never even owned a cap. My alt has a bunch of industry skills that I almost never use. Maybe getting those refunded would be nice, maybe I will eventually want to use them, I don't really know right now, but either way I have them and I still have everything else I've ever trained.

I agree.

A few years ago I wanted to form a Low/Null Sec Exploration Team so I bought and trained all the skills required to operate a Black Ops ship. Some of the basic skills required to pilot a Black Ops ship is Jump Drive Calibration IV (407,294 SP's) and Jump Drive Operation V (1,280,000 SP's). Since those skills were being trained, it was also a good idea to at least train Jump Fuel Conservation IV (362,039 SP's), which I did.

Those 3 skills total 2,049,333 SP's. That doesn't amount to very much when compared to my total amount of skills and points (271 skills trained for a total of 120,082,970 SP's). I'd like to point out that even though I bought a Black Ops ship, I've never flown it nor did a fit up on it. For years now it's just been sitting in the same station where it was originally purchased.

Was that a waste of time and ISK? In my opinion the answer is no. I consider those to be an asset that's available for me to use whenever needed.

Just like the 6 Production skills I have trained for a total of 2,091,799 SP's.

Just like the 26 Resource Processing skills I have trained for a total of 4,490,275 SP's.

Just like the 27 Science skills I have trained for a total of 6,876,089 SP's.

Just like the 10 Leadership skills I have trained for a total of 5,718,589 SP's.

Just like the 4 Neural Enhancement skills I have trained for a total of 1,762,275 SP's.

The list goes on and on.

There's plenty of skills I rarely ever use and could probably benefit having those SP's placed elsewhere. Even if that option was available I still wouldn't do it. Every once in a while the need for those skills arises and whenever that happens, I'm glad I've already got them trained.



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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#25 - 2014-10-06 00:54:33 UTC
Dr Heizenberg wrote:
SP refund/reallocation thread #31415927


Firstly F&I is that way Arrow

Secondly no

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Slicr
#26 - 2014-10-06 01:03:13 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
define "a lot of players".



and no.



How about you define it seeing how you seen worried about it? lol

I believe in being Pro-Active as Opposed to Reactive. Reactive tends to be more costly in time and money.
Slicr
#27 - 2014-10-06 01:04:59 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
You could just keep podding yourself until the skills are gone and start training up from your clean slate again.



Your logic is outstanding - you could also think of the lost skill time wasted as a contribution to the CCP fund

I believe in being Pro-Active as Opposed to Reactive. Reactive tends to be more costly in time and money.
Slicr
#28 - 2014-10-06 01:06:11 UTC
Christopher Mabata wrote:
if i took the SP i wasted in mining skills and re-applied it i could be sitting in a titan in 3 days roughly.

Doing something like this also makes no sense lore wise, as you learned a specific set of skills to do a specific job flying a mining barge and flying an ishtar are not even relatively close together so skills acquired from said mining barge will probably never carry over to the ishtar save for basic handling skills you would already have

oh and No



Lore wise? nobody tell him that this is a game (and there is no Santa Clause)

I believe in being Pro-Active as Opposed to Reactive. Reactive tends to be more costly in time and money.
Slicr
#29 - 2014-10-06 01:07:39 UTC
Arsine Mayhem wrote:
Fred P wrote:
Dr Heizenberg wrote:
why should we suffer from ccp "great ideas" ?


Because you choose to play CCP's game.

If you don't want to "suffer", you can always just leave. It's just a game.


That and never sub for more than a month at a time.


Agree 100% - that is what I have done - and now it is isk for plex all the way until it runs out

I believe in being Pro-Active as Opposed to Reactive. Reactive tends to be more costly in time and money.
Slicr
#30 - 2014-10-06 01:10:01 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
I am all out of tear buckets, but I found an empty whine glass to use for this thread.



Well if you quit crying about others' posts, you would have more than enough :)

I believe in being Pro-Active as Opposed to Reactive. Reactive tends to be more costly in time and money.
Slicr
#31 - 2014-10-06 01:11:55 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Arsine Mayhem wrote:
I've always thought you should have respecs, like any other game. Game mechanics change, new equipment, play style. Many start as an industrial toon, let them go to pvp if they want.

Yea, you can buy a character, not something i'd do. You lose the feeling of your toon growing up, and where it's been and done, rep with different factions, etc.

Would hardly be any different than buying / selling toons, i really don't see much difference.

I believe it's just one more way they stifle their game. Not my paycheck though.


other games your character can only play a rather specific role or two. The penalty for making a mistake as a noob would be too high. Imagine that extra point you put into something as a noob is a wasted skill point out of the limited number your character can ever earn. not to mention how often devs make dramatic changes fairly randomly.

In eve, I just switch ships, and most of my skills carryover, plus all the highly specialized skills I have also trained on top. I have JDC 5, and I've never even owned a cap. My alt has a bunch of industry skills that I almost never use. Maybe getting those refunded would be nice, maybe I will eventually want to use them, I don't really know right now, but either way I have them and I still have everything else I've ever trained.



CCP likes customers like you - just keep paying

I believe in being Pro-Active as Opposed to Reactive. Reactive tends to be more costly in time and money.
Steppa Musana
Doomheim
#32 - 2014-10-06 01:15:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Steppa Musana
edit - misunderstood OP, orig post is now irrelevant

still "no" though

Hey guys.
Steppa Musana
Doomheim
#33 - 2014-10-06 01:25:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Steppa Musana
Dave Stark wrote:
just like every single whining cretin who didn't like a change that affected them...

no you can't have an SP refund. stop whining.

Whining works actually. I've been refunded SP twice after yelling loud enough. Anchoring V for my POS manager alt, Combat Drone V when it was made redundant if you also had Scout Drone V.

I do hope you had both Combat Drone V and Scout Drone V when that patch rolled around. I'm guessing if you did, you didn't speak up, and now you have 512,000 less extra SP than I do. Lol

Hey guys.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#34 - 2014-10-06 01:52:22 UTC
Slicr wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
define "a lot of players".



and no.



How about you define it seeing how you seen worried about it? lol

im not the one making the statement so why would i need to.
if your going to make declarative statements ,
back them up,
why would anyone pay any heed to them otherwise.

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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#35 - 2014-10-06 01:56:37 UTC
10.5 year vet.
all gallente carrier cap skills at 5, have been at 5 for around 5 years or so now,
an alt has a jf with all jf skills to 5
another alt had min dread and related skills to 5

so.. no, stupid idea.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#36 - 2014-10-06 01:57:49 UTC
and as fury bot is lagging....

F&I is ------>

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
Dave Stark
#37 - 2014-10-06 04:49:38 UTC
Steppa Musana wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
just like every single whining cretin who didn't like a change that affected them...

no you can't have an SP refund. stop whining.

Whining works actually. I've been refunded SP twice after yelling loud enough. Anchoring V for my POS manager alt, Combat Drone V when it was made redundant if you also had Scout Drone V.

I do hope you had both Combat Drone V and Scout Drone V when that patch rolled around. I'm guessing if you did, you didn't speak up, and now you have 512,000 less extra SP than I do. Lol


things weren't at V pre patch, they were post patch.

or something. i've been to sleep since then.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#38 - 2014-10-06 11:42:17 UTC
This A. belongs in Features & Ideas Discussion and B. has been proposed many times before.

Therefore, thread locked.

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