Player Features and Ideas Discussion

We have Battleclinic, with 100s of thousands of kills to prove it. On a more personal experience, I played 2 and half years and I don't recall being engaged by a single stabbed fit, and i engaged/got engaged by more than 6000 of them. And that makes total sense: the only people that use them are not those who want to pvp.

I would like to correct, or more precisely give more details, about the trial accounts: you need to register to enroll in FW. But the trick is well known: you open an account to your alt with the buddy thing, pay one month, claim the plex, which pay for the month you just got, play one month, shutdown the account before the next payment. Free month, no skills, free deplexing.


Apart for the fact that might feel happy just because you counter them, but otherwise it is really boring. I'll rather die in a good fight that make a parade for a stabbed ship kill.

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So to start making conclusion, since I don't plan on talking forever on that topic, I agree on:
- no change in fitting requirements
- no need for a infinite point, because it implies a new module and a lot more issues (although it would be fun)
- no change on drawbacks, since it would work for small ships but the agility will also affect badly the haulers, especially with the stacking

What I think CCP should to stop farmers to feel safe while doing nothing, as it has been mentioned above (since they will not change FW rules):
- block the WCS inside FW plexes (novice, small and medium) only - you can still use them in the large, which would give more LP anyway, especially when you are stabbed, and make it more pvp oriented in the ones for cruisers and below

New proposals based on your feedbacks:
- limit the number of WCS to 5 (not 3): 0 by default, +1 per level of skills "warp drive operation" (it's a level 1 skill, meaning you need 4 days to max. it) - no more issues with haulers or such, and just a little bit more skill intensive

Nonono man, not forbidden. Discouraged - yes (like if you would need to do at least something pvp or pve related during de-plexing), just flat out forbidden - no.
And I want cloaks back in FW plexes btw, but as with WCS's it should be discouraged to use one to farm carefree.


Wrong, best ship of choice for semi-afk de-plexing is incursus or punisher both with 4 lows.


With this I disagree, plex gate mechanics is a great tool. It allows players to choose what to fight, when to fight or even figt or not in the first place. So plex gates already give reasonable amount of safety to people who are paying attention, so why should there be even more safety for those who don't and why should it be rewarded.


All true, against actual full-fledged campaign no amount of stabby plexers will save your system, but they are useful to counter everyday pressure.


I do agree with this, the first thing to do is to fix flawed mechanics of de-plexing.

Many pages back I posted that this was just another one of the never ending stream of "force people to PvP" topics. OP condemned me for not ready his post, yet here in his own words he admits that my assessment was essentially correct.

OP has made several other statements that are flat out false.
My son and at least a dozen of his friends are all FW pilots and have been for years, I have never heard them talk about the stabbed pilots so not ALL FW people are concerned about this.

This same group of FW pilots has never once complained about the afk / semi afk plexers, in fact they relish finding them because they are easy kills. Point and shoot, or hell just alpha them out of existence in which case the WCS actually helps them because of the nerfs required to fit them.

It's also worth noting that PvP doesn't just mean engaging with guns/missiles but is a much broader term. The player who escapes destruction by use of WCS has achieved their goal at the expense of the aggressor not getting a kill. They win the engagement on their terms by fitting appropriately for their needs.