Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I am sorry but you just can't say "your fit is bad, you should have been able to catch people with warp core stab" the first time you are going for them. Nobody, absolutely nobody, goes to engage someone with more than one scrambler, that would just be completely stupid (exception of some garmur with short+long point, due to its bonuses). Yes I got 8 in a row stabbed, but how could I know before? Maybe tomorrow I'll have 8 real fights in a row, therefore your "put 3 scrams" arguments is simply invalid for a regular use. And for refitting I already said earlier that people don't go back to the plex til you are in local, so forget about that argument.

Now I agree, it happens, and that's why instead of saying "from now on, you can't fit WCS on any ship anywhere anymore", I, from the beginning of this thread, proposed some minor changes to make it a little more challenging, while giving more chance for everybody to get his part of the fun. You guys, on the other hand, are just 100 miles away from the ideas behind this topic. If it is to tell me I can put 3 scrams, or that "I should know" because I can guess all the fits, well thank you captain obvious, but that's not what I am looking for here. However, if you are willing to discuss the present ideas, or propose new ones, then you are more than welcome!

P.S: Corraidhin Farsaidh my bad for the wrong name in the quote. Edited my message and corrected with proper one.

If you are at the point where you are hunting PLEXers for a fight, you may wish to consider faction scrams. Two faction scrams can put out more points than any frigate is capable of stabbing, and guarantees you those lovely free kills. A moderate investment, for massive results.

Limiting the number of WCS that can be fit is hamstringing industrial pilots. As for efficiency as I have previousy stated it isn't a consideraion, you either have enough WCS to escape or enough scram to capture, there is no 90% escaped. There is no reason why they couldn't introduce something that disables WCS much like some combat anom pockets disable MWD though.

WCS are fine. Just fit multiple scrams. You don't seem to understand, lock range and target speed is a very big penalty, along with the CPU requirement and loss of at least 2 low slots for any meaningful effect. Their fitting is completely gimped, and all you need to do is fit multiple scrams.

1 loss of mid slot for you = 2 loss of low slot plus massive sensor penalty for them.

That is more than balanced.

your drawbacks do not make WCS penalties relevant.

there is nothing in your proposal that will make WCS pilots more likely to fight or less likely to fit as many WCS.

it changes nothing. They will still fit WCS to the max.

yet you can turn your fortune around entirely by changing your fit. FFS!

Here we go, another post to explain that scramblers exist... *sigh* (read the damn thread ffs)

If you had discussed with FW farmers like I did, you would know that when people fit WCS, they don't fit anything else 90% of the time. Hence why I said as a fact that "drawbacks are irrelevant". And that makes sense: you are here to escape, why would you fit guns or anything else and spend money for nothing?

So please next time before posting such bullshit, have the decency to read first

Sorry but some people in this game like to do things by themselves without necessarily relying on others. That probably will sound strange, especially since quite a few people here that reacted are from nullsec or high-sec, but that's reality. And fitting scramblers is not always the solution, as discussed previously.

Oh I see you -

1. Want to roam by yourself

2. Refuse to refit your ship with more scramblers to be able to effectively roam by yourself

AND

3. Refuse to seek out targets that are unlikely to have stabs, so that even conceding 1 and 2 you could STILL tackle them

So therefore you want CCP to make it easier to tackle ships that choose to sacrifice gank/tank to fit stabs.

Now it is clear to me.

Edit: scrams *are* always the solution to WCS as you can with absolute certainty fit more scram than an enemy can fit WCS.Because you don't want to fit more of a counter module is never going to be a good reason to nerf the module you wish to counter.

we get it, your a solo pilot. your elite (lol). but what you have to understand that you do not get special consideration because you fly alone.

these are not small changes. they are a big turd on haulers as well as plex farmers, and yeah they affect a lot of ppl.

think beyond your own little bubble. i know its hard for solo pilots and you guys often come up with ideas like:

'make a module that reduces incoming damage based on how many ppl are targeting me. its makes solo play easier.'

but you are not the only ppl in low sec.