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EVE Trade Hubs: Jita's grandchildren
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Sir William Wallace
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2014-10-03 20:35:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Sir William Wallace
Vulxanis Viceroy wrote:
Sir William Wallace wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
I have it on good authority that Hek is Jita's red-headed stepchild.





Aye, I agree that it is a total ginger nut of a system.

FWIW I think it'll take a while for Jita to even remotely lose any of it's draw as the main trade hub. There's already a few lower profile trade hubs that, yes, don't trade in the volume of the main regional hubs, but that do tend to shift a fair amount of trade on a daily basis. To find them, all you need to do is check DOTLAN for where there's a concentration of level 4 agents and you're almost guaranteed to find somewhere with an active market.


I shall look into that. Thanks!

Question, why level 4 agents? o.O Jc


As Doc said above, it's purely down to volume of players in the surrounding systems of where the Level 4 agents are, there's a hell of a lot more players doing level 4's than level 1 and 2's. Where there's more people there's a more active market. If I'm not mistaken that's how Rens became the "hub" for Heimatar due to the level 4 agents around Frarn and Lustrevik. Same with Jita, there's (or there was, haven't been down that neck of the woods for a while)a fair number of Caldari Navy level 4 agents close by.
Solecist Project
#22 - 2014-10-03 20:38:32 UTC
Sir William Wallace wrote:
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Sorry, had to. :)

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Sir William Wallace
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2014-10-03 20:46:24 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Sir William Wallace wrote:
FREEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, had to. :)

*kinks* (:


:) haha, we had the chance a couple of weeks ago but bottled it :(
Vulxanis Viceroy
Vicarius Vitae
Khimi Harar
#24 - 2014-10-03 20:48:49 UTC
It seems I shall be doing research on Agent locations and such.

I think if I do that ahead of time, I should write "Potential" vs "confirmed", so people know whether or not it's simply the location or if it can actually be considered a trade hub.

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#25 - 2014-10-03 20:53:09 UTC
Sir William Wallace wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Sir William Wallace wrote:
FREEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, had to. :)

*kinks* (:


:) haha, we had the chance a couple of weeks ago but bottled it :(

Don't worry about it, William .......


Hmmmmm....... I feel the strong need to make your avatar a kilt ...........

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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#26 - 2014-10-03 20:54:42 UTC
Everybody come to Tash-Murkon! It's a nice shade of blue this time of year.

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Vulxanis Viceroy
Vicarius Vitae
Khimi Harar
#27 - 2014-10-03 20:57:14 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
Everybody come to Tash-Murkon! It's a nice shade of blue this time of year.


Well most likely the actual trade hubs will start out where they don't have quick access to one of the big 4. If it's 20 jumps out, especially via lowsec, from one of the big 4, then that lv 4 station is probably viable to become a trade hub. Depending on how much traffic it gets.

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#28 - 2014-10-03 21:00:56 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
Everybody come to Tash-Murkon! It's a nice shade of blue this time of year.

Oh, is it ...............

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#29 - 2014-10-03 23:22:50 UTC
Old Man Star is a factional warfare/ lowsec piracy trade hub. You can find many ships and fully fit them at Quafe station and some fittings at the other station as well. Everything, is competitively priced. Add that to your list.

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Vulxanis Viceroy
Vicarius Vitae
Khimi Harar
#30 - 2014-10-03 23:36:26 UTC
Foxstar Damaskeenus wrote:
Old Man Star is a factional warfare/ lowsec piracy trade hub. You can find many ships and fully fit them at Quafe station and some fittings at the other station as well. Everything, is competitively priced. Add that to your list.


I'm about to head home now. I'll look up the station and system name and add it asap.

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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#31 - 2014-10-03 23:55:00 UTC
Grave Digger Eriker wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
nah, it'll still just be jita.
Incorrect!!

Jita is only within 5LY reach of 2 lowsec systems, with MAX skills, that will be perma camped so JF pilots will not use jita with these changes.

Bye Bye jita

Conversely, Rens and Hek may well survive and funily enough they are in range of Amamake so PL are sorted.


Or they will jump to a ls system closer to home and gate all the way to jita if you are smart you don't get ganked. I used to move dysp to jita with a jf and took the hs route there and back. that was a few years ago though

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Doomheim
#32 - 2014-10-04 00:06:52 UTC
Vulxanis Viceroy wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
nah, it'll still just be jita.


From what I can tell, many people will not be able to or will not be willing to make the trip all...the...way...

I didn't say Jita will die. I didn't say "Jita's successors". I said "Jita's grandchildren". Indicating a family enlargement.


So the great grand children of Yulai?
ElSuerte Diego
Los Perros Hermanos
#33 - 2014-10-04 00:18:28 UTC
I think in the "real world" Jita would become something like a modern commodities exchange, where only the titles to the goods where traded. You wouldn't have to physically transport the goods to and from Jita. Eve doesn't have the infra-structure for that.

CCP could ease the pain somewhat if they got rid of the regional market bounderies or improved the market api.

Maybe we'll see more use of the contract system since it's global.
Vulxanis Viceroy
Vicarius Vitae
Khimi Harar
#34 - 2014-10-04 00:26:41 UTC
ElSuerte Diego wrote:
I think in the "real world" Jita would become something like a modern commodities exchange, where only the titles to the goods where traded. You wouldn't have to physically transport the goods to and from Jita. Eve doesn't have the infra-structure for that.

CCP could ease the pain somewhat if they got rid of the regional market bounderies or improved the market api.

Maybe we'll see more use of the contract system since it's global.


I'm not sure I understand your point. Would you mind elaborating?

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#35 - 2014-10-04 00:34:34 UTC
All roads lead to Jita.

So let it be written, so let it be done.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#36 - 2014-10-04 01:20:15 UTC
Vulxanis Viceroy wrote:
So according to this article, in theory there will be new trade hubs all over new eden since a lot of people will not be able to get to Jita (or the other 3) as easily.

For those of you who are searching the interwebs and want to know where the major trade hubs are, here is a convenient list that is a WIP(and is updates asap when new info is given). If you have a Trade Hub you want me to put on this list, message me with the title of the fact you want me to add your trade hub suggestion. Please also include why you consider it a trade hub. Thanks! Hope this helps!

First 5 are taken from this website:

Expanded list of trade hubs on my blog.


Hisec Trade hubs:

  • Jita IV - Moon 4 - Caldari Navy Assembly Plant (Main Caldari Trade Hub, Biggest Trade Hub in game)
  • Amarr VIII (Oris) - Emperor Family Academy (Main Amarr Trade Hub)
  • Rens VI - Moon 8 - Brutor Tribe Treasury (Main Minmatar Trade Hub)
  • Dodixie IX - Moon 20 - Federation Navy Assembly Plant (Main Gallente Trade Hub)
  • Hek VIII - Moon 12 - Boundless Creation Factory (Major Minmatar Trade Hub)
  • Tanoo V - Moon 1 - Ammatar Consulate Bureau (Ammatar Region Trade Hub)


    • Lowsec Trade Hubs:
  • Old Man Star VIII - Moon 1 - Quafe Company Warehouse (Fw/Piracy Trade hub in Essence)

    • Nullsec Trade Hubs:

  • (WIP)

    • ~As for a discussion~

  • What are your opinions on what trade hubs will likely spring up? (if you have a good system in mind please EVEmail it to me so I can add it to the list)
  • Opinion on the article?
  • Opinion on supercaps using stargates?
  • How will this effect them?
  • Possible strategy alternatives to blob fleets?

    • I recognize there are a ton of forum posts about this. But from what I can tell, this will be both an amazing change for those who are tired of the impossible size of nullsec empires, and an enraging handicap for those that maintain those huge empires.





    I would expect Villore to become a trade hub or the highsec side of the OMS trade hub - which would be interesting.

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    Kousaka Otsu Shigure
    #37 - 2014-10-04 13:49:57 UTC
    And Jita is very well stocked, years and years of stockpiled goods in that station. It will still take a while if ever nobody traded in Jita anymore...

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    BrundleMeth
    State War Academy
    Caldari State
    #38 - 2014-10-04 13:52:42 UTC
    What's a Trade Hub?

    Ah, I get it...

    This is another AFK cloaking thread...
    Grave Digger Eriker
    Doomheim
    #39 - 2014-10-04 23:34:29 UTC
    DaReaper wrote:
    Grave Digger Eriker wrote:
    Dave Stark wrote:
    nah, it'll still just be jita.
    Incorrect!!

    Jita is only within 5LY reach of 2 lowsec systems, with MAX skills, that will be perma camped so JF pilots will not use jita with these changes.

    Bye Bye jita

    Conversely, Rens and Hek may well survive and funily enough they are in range of Amamake so PL are sorted.


    Or they will jump to a ls system closer to home and gate all the way to jita if you are smart you don't get ganked. I used to move dysp to jita with a jf and took the hs route there and back. that was a few years ago though
    You have completely misunderstood the behaviour of a JF. There are only 2 Lowsec systems within jump range of Jita period. so say jumping to Pakkonen, a close Lowsec system to Jita is about 8LY and 4 gates. But when its time to jump out of Jita you will not get to Pakkonen but to a system that is 17 normal gates from Jita. Therefore, you will need 2 stating points. 1 for the lowsec system near to Jita and one as the only jumpout point from Jita. Its it is not the same system.

    Will make logistics even harder for the little guy.
    Obviously, for CFC/N3/PL this is not a big concern as they are probably buying up all the JF pilots on the character bazaar already so will have them in multiple locations.

    It will all level out once the new local hubs start appearing.
    Nevyn Auscent
    Broke Sauce
    #40 - 2014-10-05 00:00:26 UTC
    Grave Digger Eriker wrote:
    Dave Stark wrote:
    nah, it'll still just be jita.
    Incorrect!!

    Jita is only within 5LY reach of 2 lowsec systems, with MAX skills, that will be perma camped so JF pilots will not use jita with these changes.

    Bye Bye jita

    Conversely, Rens and Hek may well survive and funily enough they are in range of Amamake so PL are sorted.

    Or of course, people will JF to 2 or 3 gates out of Jita using a scout to make sure no Nado gangs are right on the gates, and a web frigate to move them. Just like people move normal freighters out of Jita. And then they can jump to a huge number more systems.