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Well then if you find such a group or start your own, please let us know about it. Besides, if your plan is to somehow oppose the New Order by blowing up those with permits, it would best for propaganda value if you publicize your successes as far and wide as possible in any case.

I think your plan is a good one as if you find you like ganking but get bored of the limited target selection offered by the lower number of compliant miners in highsec, you can always switch sides and join the New Order proper.

The Code truly always wins.

I could not disagree with you more than I do.


Some would have you believe that code or any other ganker for that matter has some sixth sense with which he can determine a botter from others and they would likewise try to convince you that ganking is some kind of a crusade against said botting; this is nothing but babble however. They really don't care about botting enough to make that kind of effort. They just want kills and to disturb other players. Why didn't they attack you? Simple they didn't find you... or if they did they were too busy doing something else at the time.

happily

Typical bot-aspirant.

Ah, the old "I gank, honest, I just don't killboard" excuse. I see your main has exactly no hits on zkillboard, too.

Nobody is ever safe, unless you are parked in a station at least or cloaked out in some safe spot in a random system. The second you become visible in the game space you are free game.

Trust no one.

I think it is clear that he is calling ashley Eoner a liar. Many people in this game claim things that are not true, and the good admiral is pointing to the fact he has heard such exaggerations of PvP prowess from others before.

And yes, kills count if they are not on a killboard somewhere. However, if you do not post them to a killboard, only you and the victim know for sure they happened, so do not be surprised when others doubt the veracity of your claims.

In the context of ganking permit holders, not using killboard makes no sense. The whole point of it is to discourage others from buying a permit by adding risk to displaying a permit in your bio. If you just silently kill permit holders, at best you will discourage that specific miner from renewing their permit, but you will have no effect on the new permit sales to others as they have no way to know of your actions.

Of course, if you are just ganking permit holders for your own pleasure, then killboard verification is of little consequence. But in this case you are really not engaged in a active public campaign against the New Order. Thus, I would suggest you stay off the forums with your claims of ganking, or at least not act surprised when some people doubt what you are saying.

However, we both know why you and ashley are hiding behind the no-killboard excuse - even together you have ganked just a handful of permit holders, a number that if verified would be a fraction of a percent of the CODE. aliiance verified kills. Not providing a number allows you use the uncertainty to present the your modest actions as more significant than they really are.

Don't get me wrong, even your isolated acts of rebelling do you credit as they are infinitely more than most carebears do - I just don't want any potential permit buyers to think there is an actual risk to holding a New Order permit from permit-gankers. Perhaps you guys will organize and that will change in the future, but for now that risk is essentially zero.

not needed, try:

5) Fly a procurer / better skiff, fit it properly, ignore codie-contacts, do not talk to them. -> hard to kill / boring target since no talking they can not make propaganda with you.

Top choice.


Find a corps that you like. more people can do more fun stuff.
Top recommendation.

EDIT
a permit might make you an extra target, for code-enemies. So don't bother, you might get shot anyway.

Uhmm...ya.....I also investigated ganking permit holders.

Found a few problems:

1 - There are very, very few actual permit holders

2 - 95% of those are just Code alts who buy the permits as a troll. During my brief stay in the minerbumping channel, some folks from 315 miners, who were permit compliant miners, they assured me, kept challenging me to 1v1 duels. Yet when I asked to join their mining ops I was met with stunned silence.

3 - The people you see in belts with permits are trolls who just concoct a fake permit to stick it to CODE.

So basically, ganking permit holders won't work because there is no one to actually gank. The whole permit scheme is a massive fraud that is undertaken only to give CODE cover under the EULA. The fee is too low to ever make any meaningful amount of isk, and the natural resistance to giving in to extortion ensures that few will actually purchase such permits.

I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
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