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Any other ideas or input? Because I've seen a lot here.

Something to consider is WiS stands currently as a testament to the EVE Community being promised something, and then the rug being violently snatched away due to the moaning/crying/p***ing/b****ing of a group which while large in numbers, does not fully represent the EVE demographic, the community at large, or anyone other than their own interests. Yes, the microtransaction thing when represented as P2W was bad. However, this is exactly why the older players are leaving, are jaded, or have not faith in anything said about new features. Presented features need to be completed, as the playerbase will not have any faith in the continuation of EVE, and more will unsub.

There's my two bits.

I sorta mentioned this else where, there were several elements that were apart of WIS, which didn't need to have an avatar interface. These things would allow you to do activities while in the station but use a simple 2D neocom interface, Like a Mission giving bot etc.

Work on the gameplay with in the station, once there is several of these sections then change the interface from Neocom to Avatar.

Another plus for WiS would be able to meet with the ground troops which will be from the new PC based FPS game to plan things out.

Essentially, there are many, many pros to this that increase the immersion of our beloved dystopian universe.

Admitting i have not gone through this entire thread( but i will), from a modders standpoint this should be easy to outsource, after all the F2P KMMORPGs do pretty well just with clothing and item sales. I have played a few because of friends being cheap, and naturally gamed and game tested the systems.

In doing so, basic things show up: almost no collision meshes need be applied, limited numbers of characters ( and therefore player's system rendering requirements) can be packed into smaller instanced "dungeons" ( corridors/bars/casinos/hangars/CQs). Certain physics can be completely writen off because why would you need to bunny hop in a station?

Amazingly rendered plants animals and long view can be pretty well written off by the simple fact that stations are enclosed suvival spaces in extremely hostile enviornments, and such places that do have them are homes to worthless non capsuleers beneath the notice of the pod immortals.

The real work would be in a new character design engine, and alot of work making more individualized clothes/apparel/accessories. This is not hard. I turned skyrim into something unrecognisable by myself in my very little spare time with basic free tools. References will not be given, this is eve, but I point out that that particular game was made on a very obsolete engine, yet looked fabulous even on a crap system like mine.

Therer need be no combat, this is really just about mingling and strutting your stuff in your pimped out non game breaking stuff. Station enviornments don't even need to be on the same server on the same continent. Loading screens can be avoided by premade and loaded access points like airlocks and elevators.

I have repeatedly said things like this could be outsourced/crowd to the community. The eve community is by and large one of the more educated and tech skilled game communities in the MMO world. Hold an art competition requiring the use of free tools so it is open to all. hell you could open it up and say graph paper accepted, and long as you have basic drafting layouts, top, front, side, etc. give a free copy of [maya] or a similar 3d package, and let us loose for enviornments.

Enviornments only, it takes alot more skill to do clothing and chracters, rigging etc. Involve us! eve is known for listening to and including its playerbase in creating and refining game tools we use for content. It is also free advertising and game support (eve is made by its players!)

Involve us, we want to help get what we want and it doesn't give anyone extra power or abilities. the worst that can happen is that people get made fun of for bad fashion sense, which is just generate content in space, cause thats the only place combat will be happening.

The way some players outright reject avatar game play is hilarious. People are throwing money at star citizen with it's ship plus avatar gameplay, and it doesn't even run half as smoothly as the captains quarters.

Personally I think what little we have seen of the station environments in EVE are far more interesting that the ones currently available in Star Citizen. In EVE you can see the cultural influences of the four empires at work, there is a real story behind why the station interiors look the way the day. But in comparison the environments in star citizen are a bit generic despite their higher amount of detail.

Don't tempt. Someone might.

Not to stick the finger in the wounds, again and again, would lead to the impression, that we agree with CCPs way of acting in this matter.

The last information I have (September 2015) is that WiS won't happen soon. Reasons the devs would/could not tell. - A statement that is worth nothing, because you can interpret everything in it.
It's strange how easy CCP can answer why we won't get pink Skins for our spaceships for example, because they don't fit into the Eve universe. But with questions regarding WiS they fall into a kind of hibernation, don't ever say or response to those three magic words!

Even with kickstarter, it needs the cooperation of CCP which I still miss. A start would be an option for exporting the avatars, captain quartiers etc. so you can use them in other programs. But that's property of CCP and I doubt they would give that out of their hands.

That means for WiS that CCP itself is actually its greatest enemy and leads to my first sentence.

CCP, take the head out of the sand. Are solid objects floating in space the only thing you can accomplish? Show us that you can do more than that!

Failed sounds too harsh. WiS is like world peace. Sure it would be nice but will we ever have it? Does that mean we should stop fighting for it?

This thread is a testimony of how much CCP cares about avatar gameplay and definitely underlines your position.

But contrary to some opinions, nothing is chiseled in stone. Do I believe that my or the other posts change anything about the current situation? Not really. But I still prefer to take the chance, how small it might be, to do my part for the implementation of a feature that many player would like to have.

I vaguely remember CCP Seagul saying something along the lines that if it does happen it would be in a separate client.

Would be a surprising twist if the successor to Dust514 turned about to be exactly that.