EVE Fiction

The Minmatar language is one of my intellectual wonders.

The languages often used among large Space Cibilizations are constructed ones, but not natural languages. So as many time has passed and even the concept of a Constucted language could have been forgotten in this harsh environment I will like to discuss about this one.

But first we must have something clear: is it obvious that Gallente are using a derivated from French, as French is a language designed to serve a wide range of communications, it doesn't need to evolve that much, they only have to add new words and the thing is done.

Amarr I think are speaking some kind of Castillian-Spanish very deviated from the original language, but as language, the Castillian - commonly known as Spanish is, academically speaking, a language that evolves only by simplifying some parts while creating more complex patterns in the other hand. (an alternatiBut
And here goes the problem: What language is Minmatar? It's not an easy problem. We all know that Minmatar were ruled by the Amarr, and that they were not especially friendly with each other. When it happens, the slave is forced to know the language of the Master and Ruler, while this last one have the feeling that that thing that their slaves speak when talking to each other is no more than rubbish. Making a lot of research I've found that the story of Minmatar is tied to some other ancient civilizations on Earth, but the way they have evolved once freed tends to make me think they are a kind of Viking, Norse, wanderer civilization. My theory nowadays is that they have created a complex language that could be impenetrable by their rulers, so that they scalated the level from i.e. NyNorsk to a new level, just to hide from the rage of cruel Amarr. And not only that, as Republicans, they were planning to become a Republic, what means that you will be capable to understand with a lot of different people, so the started, at some point, to create and speak a Constructed Language.

More research and information will be coming. I have to leave now. Fly Safe!

And feell free to discuss everything about that. I will be here late at night.

Thanks.

While the Minmatar language certainly seems to be Germanic in origin (or at least heavily influenced by Germanic), this is the first time someone suggests that Amarrian is a descendant of Spanish. I believe that a common opinion is that Amarrian comes from some mix of Iranian and Semitic. Interesting. Why do you think that Amarrian is Spanish?

As about the Minmatar language, we always should consider that what the game calls "tribes" are, in fact, races, which were evolving more or less independently on the same planet for 20000 years. So, there is a number of Brutor languages, Sebiestor languages, etc. with a millennia-old history, which only recently (in terms of the general timeline) were displaced by the "Modern Standard Matari". And even within a single group, for example, the Sebiestor languages, the difference can be as deep as between, say, Icelandic and Bulgarian in our world. Or Hungarian and Finnish.

It seems to me that the pseudo-Germanic Modern Standard Matari as we see it in the names of stars and NPCs must be Sebiestor in origin, and that the dominant language of the culture and science of the old (pre-enslavement) Minmatar planetary civilization also was some form of Sebiestor, from which MSM was derived after the formation of the Republic.

(Adepts of the Sebiestor Plot are hereby invited to this thread )

Cunning and nice post. By some strange reason a big chunk of my original post was not posted concerning Amarrian Language and Caldari dualisation.

In which was lost I stated: Amarr Language is a form of Advanced and adapted Castillian that rely strong in Judeo-Spanish and Ladino (as Sephardic Jews are returning to Spain legally from this year forward it will have an impact on the actual Spanish that is spoken right npw); as a cultural reliability they think and know well that this form of language with a lot of embedded Hebrew words and structures is able to resist for milleniums and to adapt to the more harsh situations, being a language capable to express from quotidiane life to the more scalable philosophic or technology levels of expression.

For the Matari, The pimordial Sebiestor is the Main language that others use as a Lingua Franca, but it seems clear that Brutors use a variated range of Camitic languages dialectal and non-dialectal so as they are so independant and fast moving but they preserve a common language to be inteligible that I suspect is a form of simple Sebiestor Matari. So as Minmatar are the more opposite to a supremacist or racist Race itself Brutors do not consider any damage to use Sebiestor for pragmatic purposes. (But this item will be deeply investigated in the future),I can see the Maori or even Austrasian language patterns can be observed in the wide and inmese Brutor Nation.

The point of it is that MSM has become a daily language in the Republic but has not a prior role as communication tool but as an inner, familiar, neighborhood tool while the Matari have developed a Constructed Language for their aiming aspirations and that has come to be one of the most useful tools in the construction of the Republic, turning to 0 the different tribes and bloodlines and nations markers and opening a new beginning for everyone and making it to create a new level of communication and a strong basement to the foundation of the Republic. And of course a Language who is able to express all the situations they are dealing with, in a full wide-spread, fast communication form, that includes all the Minmatar life and concerns, from daily life to the highest complexities of Science, Philosophy, Politiics and being a Space Civilization as a whole.

In the everyday common use, perhaps, yes, but not in the media, school teachings, any official messages or literature. In the contrary, I'd suggest that, after the formation of the Republic, the resurgent Matari (predominantly Sebiestor) "intelligentsia" would try to purge the new Matari language from all traces of Amarrian with extreme prejudice. The examples can be found in real-world secular nationalistic movements all over XIX and XX centuries, such as Greek after the independence from the Ottoman empire, etc. The resulting "purified" Matari with all kinds of newly invented words instead of foreign loanings would be almost unintelligible for an Ammatar or a returning slave, thus

Among the disassociated returning slaves - for sure. It would be very strange though for the Republic government not to try to educate and indoctrinate the citizens - as long as the funds allow, of course.

MSM is being enforced and it is unavoidable to have people speaking fluent and rich Amarrian too, in the Republic, but Amarrian is not supported by Government, Media, News Media, it has been clearly banned from literature and all written forms, including official bureaucracy, and what is Most Important and relevant, from all Minmatar Communications, as the former slave does not wish to the Enslaver to know anything more about them, their culture or their situation; to be free means that you have broken all tides to your ruler and don't want to have anything to do with them except in the cases where it takes place a Deal of giving freedom to the - little by little still enslaved Ammatar who remains in the Ammar Empire -.

So that, it's logical that your Foreign Affairs Bureau has a lot of skillfull Amarrr-speaking people to deal that "heating" potato. Amarrians pull the rope as long as they can but Minmatar Republic is getting stronger and stronger so that they must accept some deals from time to time that it was allows the Program For Installment Of Returning Citizens and a wide range of Social Politics directly straightened to the very core of this problem.

Take a look, Minmatar values freedom above any other form of living, and they have become a moble Civilization that even when they have home systems they move constantly acroos all New Eden settling in peace and dealing with the locals. But this freedom involves a danger: Ammarr Inteligence Agency has a lot of resources and the same freedom to move into such a society as many Ammatars are greedy, or treacherous or both. That's unquestionable and the Amarrians have the power and the means to do it without the slightless form of compassion or comprensiheveness.

So that, as pointed cleverly by some of you, the Matari is the Official Language of the Republic and the Brutors and other tribes don't see it as diminishing their rights or their own culture as it was formerly used as a Lingua Franca in the Minmatar Home Planet for centuries. By the nature of the Republic every citizen has the same Linguistic Rights, so that a Brutor who writes and taks, let's say a Maori-originated language can live and adress to Government by his own Language, and the Government will treat all things with him in his mother-tongue, if he wants to go that way. Matari have no linguistic markers to see differences in society - as being the contrary what happens in the real UK, where not you language but your accent speaking English marks your social level and many times where you come from, but the strong part is that a british know only by listening to other person what social brick is the speaker belonging to. And as widefully reported by many it creates a barrier between social classes almost impossible to break down, so that many who attend classes in Oxford or Cambridge are forced to speak the Received English or the so-called OxBridge and then the social wall is broken. A curious thing to know is that the Lords, like Lord Mountbatten or Lord Elgin do not speak Received English at all, but only with in presence of the Royal Family or the infatuated people from the City, but a lot of studies show that the Lords speak an English that is almost the same as the working-class and even when they leave College where they have been instructed on reading Shakespeare and other matters they fastly return to their own accent that is mostly rough and full of "ugly words" that don't appear in any Jane Austen book. The fact that the Lords and the lower working class speak the same accent and share passion for the same vulgar spectacles as football and/or tabloids have been one of the most secret weapons of UK along history.

And the last, as I must go to work in 20 minutes. The first thing an independant nation do after becoming free is to ban the Enslaver Language. You can check as many History books as you wish, but the thing is like that, as Language in a real form is a part of personal Identity.

Thanks and Fly Safe!

Personally, the Minmatar remind me of Native Americans for some reason. In my opinion, I think that it could be a mix of a few languages, but maybe the Pod that the capsuleer is in can translate the language into their mother tongue?