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Dev Blog: Long-Distance Travel Changes Inbound

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Pikey Scum
Malicious Intentions
Brack Regen
#361 - 2014-10-01 18:10:48 UTC
VauXurne wrote:
Cr Turist wrote:
for all the players that have invested so much time, isk, and money into eve for so many years this is a slap in the face! 5ly with that add the cool down and that other dumb thing. how about u just get rid of jump drives and call it a day. oo and btw death cloning meah nerf that too.

i thought ccp was over this lets do this half ass thing and and the 4th guy on page 3 will love it. the backlash from this will be worst than incarna. or that internal letter leak. this will destroy eve.

1. titan pilots unsub
2. super pilots unsub
3. half of 0.0 unsubs
4.eve looses about 25% of its monthly income
5. eve instead of loosing Devs to other companys in droves starts having to lay people off
6. they try to fix massive screw up with some sort of buff.
7. doesnt hack it game dies.



i have been a player for 9 years and if this goes through i wont be the only one leaving.


true story here


^^

THIS!
Escobar Slim III
YOLOSWAGHASHTAGDOLLARBILLZSWIMMINGPOOLICECREAMS
#362 - 2014-10-01 18:10:54 UTC
I personally believe that some nullsecs are unable to do so (use gates) because some pilots out there in our nullsec don't even have maps and I believe that our education like such as in Goonswarm and the Pandemic Legon and will the PL now even live in Amamake? like such as, and, I believe that they should now move to nullsec impermanently, our jump navigation systems over here should help the others and should help them find fights overall and we will be able to build up our future for our future clone children and enjoy better wars for all time.

So for that I am going to +1 this idea for the betterement of eve online.
True Sight
Deep Freeze Industries
#363 - 2014-10-01 18:11:04 UTC
Bacchanalian wrote:
Tell me whose babies I need to have. This is amazing. Finally a chance to shake up nullsec for the smaller fish in the pond using proper guerrilla tactics.


Except, the big fish will just install a capital fleet in every region, ready to use whenever they need it, the large coalitions/alliances have enough capital (hah, punn) to simply put 500 dreads and carriers in every single low/sec/npc null in eve.

the "smaller fish" won't afford that, so they will still be hell-camped.
bp920091
Black Aces
Goonswarm Federation
#364 - 2014-10-01 18:11:17 UTC  |  Edited by: bp920091
Ai Mei wrote:
bp920091 wrote:
Seriously, this change will 100% kill the T2 market, without a doubt. There is no way to actually have t2 goo produced locally, and without local production, things either wont happen, or they'll happen at massively inflated rates.

In nerfing force projection, CCP's killed the economy, great job. Couldn't have made a better way to do it myself.



What about all that moon goo in low sec?

What about Syndicate space which is 1 jump from high sec in pf-346.


Your arguement is invalid.



Do you have any idea how much of the goo comes out of deep sov 0.0 regions?

Yes, it will be possible for groups to mine and export R8/32 moongoo in lowsec and some NPC 0.0 regions, but the supply of R8/32 goo is so much larger that it's completely absurd to say that an argument about regionally distributed resources, which are KEY to T2 production (ever heard of carbides) wont be affected in a major way.

Fact is, with resources being diverse, requiring a central location to acquire them, it is completely stupid to think that by making the journey to actually buy/sell these resources harder, you wont increase the costs dramatically.
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
Shadow Cartel
#365 - 2014-10-01 18:11:25 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Zloco Crendraven wrote:
Finally! Great things on horizont for smaller groups.

- We are finally gonna have our nice little local brawls without fearing of 99% of New Eden

Learn to live form the space. Recruit Indy corps. Don't moan about the logistics.
Your not supposed to wage war from your home to another region if its not adjecant. Deploy than attack.

Simple.


local brawls with who?


We in lowsec didn't blue half of EVE and made a deal with the other half. We got plenty to fight with.

BALEX, bringing piracy on a whole new level.

NFain
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#366 - 2014-10-01 18:11:31 UTC
Finally!!!! A change I'm really happy about! Thank you CCP for stepping out of your comfort zone and making large region control harder and harder. First step to many good null changes to mix up the pan! Pirate
SmarncaV2
Doomheim
#367 - 2014-10-01 18:12:26 UTC
Zloco Crendraven wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Zloco Crendraven wrote:
Finally! Great things on horizont for smaller groups.

- We are finally gonna have our nice little local brawls without fearing of 99% of New Eden

Learn to live form the space. Recruit Indy corps. Don't moan about the logistics.
Your not supposed to wage war from your home to another region if its not adjecant. Deploy than attack.

Simple.


local brawls with who?


We in lowsec didn't blue half of EVE and made a deal with the other half. We got plenty to fight with.


Quoting for truth
Prince Kobol
#368 - 2014-10-01 18:12:29 UTC
Zloco Crendraven wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Zloco Crendraven wrote:
Finally! Great things on horizont for smaller groups.

- We are finally gonna have our nice little local brawls without fearing of 99% of New Eden

Learn to live form the space. Recruit Indy corps. Don't moan about the logistics.
Your not supposed to wage war from your home to another region if its not adjecant. Deploy than attack.

Simple.


local brawls with who?


We in lowsec didn't blue half of EVE and made a deal with the other half. We got plenty to fight with.



but fight who exactly..
Kal Azkar
BLUE ORDER
#369 - 2014-10-01 18:12:31 UTC
Honestly, is this the best you can do to enrich the game? If seems like an attempt to nerf certain alliances like PL from assisting other players, and vastly increase cruiser camps which will hamper movement even more than it is now.

Since I fly around in a cruiser I am trying to be unbiased , but honestly I am sure you could have something else to enrich the game, if null sec has become stagnant then why not make it more exciting and lucrative to go there, rather than WH? R8-64 are not balanced in the universe and will be not easily transported and therefore increase in prices, which will mean only those isk rich will benefit, private contractors who run jump freighters will also have increases costs and risks and will have to pass those on. Instead there will be far more gate camps in low sec exits into hisec and less people travelling in and out of NULL, So all I see will be an increase in low sec and an even more stagnant null, with increased costs and less fun.

probably the worse idea ever too date - definitely a big -1 from me

please reconsider and ADD FUN
Akrasjel Lanate
Lanate Industries
#370 - 2014-10-01 18:12:35 UTC
Oh and you know... drama

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude

Arun Tadaruwa
Drunkendis Order
#371 - 2014-10-01 18:12:36 UTC
Zloco Crendraven wrote:


We in lowsec didn't blue half of EVE and made a deal with the other half. We got plenty to fight with.


The truth is a harsh mistress.

Alt posting because yes.

Mizhir
TOP DAMAGE Ltd.
Trigger Happy.
#372 - 2014-10-01 18:12:56 UTC
Awesome changes. The most powerful ships are no longer the most mobile ones and large powerblocs have to reconsider where they place their forces as they just can't teleport to blob everything anymore.

Will certainly allow smaller groups to field capital ships without being blobbed to death by a superfleet.

Looks like WH people got the last laugh this year. Twisted

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luredivino
Hoover Inc.
Pandemic Legion
#373 - 2014-10-01 18:13:13 UTC
While I am in dreddit now, I spent a significant portion of my time in this game playing by myself or with a small group of friends, so this is the perspective I am writing this post from. (In dreddit's current state, I am pretty much playing the same way anyway). Nerfing the way carriers move around this game will make it impossible for solo players or small group players to move to npc null or even certain parts of low sec. With a 5 ly jump range, it will be impossible for pretty much anyone to get into npc null that doesn't already own the surrounding sov. To get into npc fountain, you will have to go through cfc space (ya, good luck) or to get into stain you will have to go through catch or providence (again....pretty much good luck).

While I understand that the current state of 0.0 is causing a detriment to the game, this will have a much more negative impact on the game. Nobody is going to wait 2 hours in a station for their jump timer to end, they will likely just get frustrated and unsubscribe.

It would be significantly more reasonable to limit the jump timer to 10-15 minutes (current durration of the cyno field) and to nerf the jump range to a more reasonable level. ( Maybe the current jdc IV dread range). You are going to lose a significant number of subscribers to these changes. I would be one of them, but my sub doesn't run out until march.
Vic Vorlon
Malevelon Roe Industries
Convocation of Empyreans
#374 - 2014-10-01 18:13:39 UTC
I can see a way around this, I think, for big alliances that have a large stable of cap/super-cap/titan pilots. They could switch pilots between jumps, having pre-staged their characters in each system along the route. The first pilot gets out, next pilot boards the ship and makes the next jump.

Yes, it's risky, yes, it requires a lot of pre-planning, but if a big alliance/corp wants to pull off a surprise attack, sending big ships a long way, faster than these mechanics allow, they'll do it.

My two cents worth...I can't sit in anything bigger than a battleship Smile
Bobby Thellere
House of the Dead Monkey
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
#375 - 2014-10-01 18:13:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Bobby Thellere
I think that the jump fatigue grows to quickly and the huge nerf to jump rage is also an issue. As an example it would take two jump to cross fade with a max level carrier meaning you are incurring a fatigue timer just staying in a region. Also this makes supers incredibly hard to move. If a max ranged carrier will go 5 ly's i can only imagine how small a titans range is.

My question is how far is to far for a jump? I think you should be able to move easily in a region and maybe a direct neighboring region but going farther then that could incur a penalty. I also think jb's should have a smaller penalty then a capital does.

Summary: The nerf is too big if the penalties are decreased I think the changes could be worth while.
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#376 - 2014-10-01 18:14:03 UTC

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I'm the space 5.0, keeping EVE from destruction
Guard is the name, Lead master of the game
Top dog in the gamemaster hall of fame

Im chillin at my desk with two girls and one pimp cup
Sippin champagne, reading mails checkin what's up
Isk spamming scum bags disturbing the peace?
WOOP WOOP its the sound of space police!

Every day is a fight, there's no room for bloopers
Bugs coming at us like in Starship troopers
We help when we can, every child, every man
Treat the boogie man to a permanent ban!

We're CCP! We march on fearlessly!
Excellent is what we strive to be!

If you're going to follow us to the top

HARDEN THE **** UP!

We're CCP! We march on fearlessly!
Excellent is what we strive to be!

If you're going to follow us to the top

HARDEN THE **** UP!

You best watch out ***** if you're an exploiting scammer
Guard will gank you in the face with his big ban hammer
Remove all your Isk , throw your ass in the slammer
Make you share a cell with a manic ISK spammer

Like a never ending spam thread on racist biking
This song has something for everyone's liking
Holy **** I see local spiking

...ladies and gents, its techno Viking!

We're CCP! We march on fearlessly!
Excellent is what we strive to be!

If you're going to follow us to the top

HARDEN THE **** UP!

We're CCP! We march on fearlessly!
Excellent is what we strive to be!

If you're going to follow us to the top

HARDEN THE **** UP!

Ever flowing - never standing still
We roll with the punches, move in for the kill
The competition ends up six feet in the ground
With fists full of awesome we go round after round

United we stand never ever growing weary
We cannot fall cause gravity is just a theory
We reach higher than the giants in operations
Patience soon well be crip walking in stations

We're more agile than a president dodging a shoe
We need three continents for our massive crew
From Atlanta to Shanghai to the Icelandic nation
Throw your hands up for World Domination!

We're CCP! We march on fearlessly!
Excellent is what we strive to be!

If you're going to follow us to the top

HARDEN THE **** UP!

We're CCP! We march on fearlessly!
Excellent is what we strive to be!

If you're going to follow us to the top

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Dunk Dinkle
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#377 - 2014-10-01 18:14:21 UTC
Have mercy on the poor logistics pilots.

Are carriers not for carrying ships anymore?
ulililillia
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#378 - 2014-10-01 18:14:43 UTC
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:

First off - let me make a short introduction
I'm the space 5.0, keeping EVE from destruction
Guard is the name, Lead master of the game
Top dog in the gamemaster hall of fame

Im chillin at my desk with two girls and one pimp cup
Sippin champagne, reading mails checkin what's up
Isk spamming scum bags disturbing the peace?
WOOP WOOP its the sound of space police!

Every day is a fight, there's no room for bloopers
Bugs coming at us like in Starship troopers
We help when we can, every child, every man
Treat the boogie man to a permanent ban!

We're CCP! We march on fearlessly!
Excellent is what we strive to be!

If you're going to follow us to the top

HARDEN THE **** UP!

We're CCP! We march on fearlessly!
Excellent is what we strive to be!

If you're going to follow us to the top

HARDEN THE **** UP!

You best watch out ***** if you're an exploiting scammer
Guard will gank you in the face with his big ban hammer
Remove all your Isk , throw your ass in the slammer
Make you share a cell with a manic ISK spammer

Like a never ending spam thread on racist biking
This song has something for everyone's liking
Holy **** I see local spiking

...ladies and gents, its techno Viking!

We're CCP! We march on fearlessly!
Excellent is what we strive to be!

If you're going to follow us to the top

HARDEN THE **** UP!

We're CCP! We march on fearlessly!
Excellent is what we strive to be!

If you're going to follow us to the top

HARDEN THE **** UP!

Ever flowing - never standing still
We roll with the punches, move in for the kill
The competition ends up six feet in the ground
With fists full of awesome we go round after round

United we stand never ever growing weary
We cannot fall cause gravity is just a theory
We reach higher than the giants in operations
Patience soon well be crip walking in stations

We're more agile than a president dodging a shoe
We need three continents for our massive crew
From Atlanta to Shanghai to the Icelandic nation
Throw your hands up for World Domination!

We're CCP! We march on fearlessly!
Excellent is what we strive to be!

If you're going to follow us to the top

HARDEN THE **** UP!

We're CCP! We march on fearlessly!
Excellent is what we strive to be!

If you're going to follow us to the top

HARDEN THE **** UP!

?
Goran Sabezan
Doomheim
#379 - 2014-10-01 18:14:55 UTC
Does this mean my lvl4 misson dominix is safe from nullsec people?

o7o7 ccp o7o7
Mizhir
TOP DAMAGE Ltd.
Trigger Happy.
#380 - 2014-10-01 18:14:57 UTC
True Sight wrote:
Bacchanalian wrote:
Tell me whose babies I need to have. This is amazing. Finally a chance to shake up nullsec for the smaller fish in the pond using proper guerrilla tactics.


Except, the big fish will just install a capital fleet in every region, ready to use whenever they need it, the large coalitions/alliances have enough capital (hah, punn) to simply put 500 dreads and carriers in every single low/sec/npc null in eve.

the "smaller fish" won't afford that, so they will still be hell-camped.


So the smaller fish will only have to deal with 500 caps rather than the entire supercap + capfleet. Sounds more manageable to me.

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