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Dev Blog: Long-Distance Travel Changes Inbound

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Zloco Crendraven
Shadow Cartel
#341 - 2014-10-01 18:08:08 UTC
Finally! Great things on horizont for smaller groups.

- We are finally gonna have our nice little local brawls without fearing of 99% of New Eden

Learn to live form the space. Recruit Indy corps. Don't moan about the logistics.
Your not supposed to wage war from your home to another region if its not adjecant. Deploy than attack.


BALEX, bringing piracy on a whole new level.

Stars in No Sky
#342 - 2014-10-01 18:08:30 UTC
Stupid change, but I hardly use my cap etc etc, getting used to SH1T patches now
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#343 - 2014-10-01 18:08:36 UTC
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#344 - 2014-10-01 18:08:44 UTC
oh if u want empires to build stuff in their regions,
u might want to consider making racial fuel in every region
Prince Kobol
#345 - 2014-10-01 18:08:58 UTC
Zloco Crendraven wrote:
Finally! Great things on horizont for smaller groups.

- We are finally gonna have our nice little local brawls without fearing of 99% of New Eden

Learn to live form the space. Recruit Indy corps. Don't moan about the logistics.
Your not supposed to wage war from your home to another region if its not adjecant. Deploy than attack.


local brawls with who?
Sentenced 1989
#346 - 2014-10-01 18:09:07 UTC
Damn, just as all my toons got into Blopses for hotdropping, killing and jumping out... well, I still can do 5-6 nice kills if I get them all in same system and just trade ship over :D
Pikey Scum
Malicious Intentions
Brack Regen
#347 - 2014-10-01 18:09:10 UTC
If you live in Drones then you're pretty much screwed. 5LY jump max...... WHAT!!!!

How about keeping the timers which would slow down the jump process or even make it worse, but the max jump distance will be nigh on unworkable for most but the biggest alliances.
Snuffed Out
#348 - 2014-10-01 18:09:11 UTC
I love this. So many people crying.

It's like having Atlas and -a- alliance chat copy and pasted all over again... except on our very own irc.

Wonder why that is.......................................................................
Gallente Federation
#349 - 2014-10-01 18:09:14 UTC
VauXurne wrote:
Cr Turist wrote:
for all the players that have invested so much time, isk, and money into eve for so many years this is a slap in the face! 5ly with that add the cool down and that other dumb thing. how about u just get rid of jump drives and call it a day. oo and btw death cloning meah nerf that too.

i thought ccp was over this lets do this half ass thing and and the 4th guy on page 3 will love it. the backlash from this will be worst than incarna. or that internal letter leak. this will destroy eve.

1. titan pilots unsub
2. super pilots unsub
3. half of 0.0 unsubs
4.eve looses about 25% of its monthly income
5. eve instead of loosing Devs to other companys in droves starts having to lay people off
6. they try to fix massive screw up with some sort of buff.
7. doesnt hack it game dies.

i have been a player for 9 years and if this goes through i wont be the only one leaving.

true story here

NC tears, best tears.
VTyx Soul
Station Window Lickers
#350 - 2014-10-01 18:09:15 UTC
As a bitter vet from 2003 I like this idea, some of it will need refining but I can see how you will be working it into your future concepts which we were shown at fanfest. Not too sure on the jump cool downs, maybe require a x4 or x5 skill to reduce effects and cool downs.
Sibius Aidon
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#351 - 2014-10-01 18:10:04 UTC
RIP. I see the days of capitals coming to an end. This doesn't prevent players from avoiding fights, this makes it easier considering it will take the attacking fleet or defending fleet longer to arrive at their goal . This gives the enemy to chance to accomplish their goals and flee before the fleet arrives. What you are trying to do is encouraged the use of gates. Making it easy for a third party to force the wrong doctrine. So, this essentially aims to make any Pvp not happen at all. Now it's only a matter of getting a cyno boat to destination system or midpoint. Then, it will just be a matter of saying 'nah that's too far let them get away without a fight.' Or , I'm sorry, but you are too far, I have. 24 hour timer between jumps.' Bad idea
Legetus Shmoof Metallii
The Initiative.
#352 - 2014-10-01 18:10:08 UTC
I thought this was what the null players wanted. Nerf Power Projection. Wasn't it?

O tempora o mores!

Tyr Dolorem
Capital Fusion.
Pandemic Horde
#353 - 2014-10-01 18:10:11 UTC
Glasgow Dunlop wrote:
remember, if you don't like the null sec changes, why not try wormholes Smile

Then I'd have to deal with your shitposting in person.
The Ironfist
Amarr Empire
#354 - 2014-10-01 18:10:15 UTC
CCP Greyscale wrote:
Preface: this is a big change. Yes, the way you play now is, as it relates to things touched by these changes and to varying degrees, no longer going to be viable. If that wasn't the case, these changes wouldn't be worth making in the first place.

This isn't a business-as-usual tuning pass, this is redefining what jump drives are *for* in this game.

5ly range for jumprfreigthers forcing ships that can not even defend themselves to take gates and requiring 3 times as many cyno's fuel and what not do do logistics you really think that is a GOOD thing?

From a market hub to DEEP SPACE 0.0 it is around 50ly just how much time and money do you think people are willing to spend on a game that has nothing to offer? Yes JF's get a reduction in this time but it will still be 10+ jumps which means a massive time-sink. And you will be forced to take at least 5 regional gates in a 7billion ship + whatever you have loaded. Do you really mean to tell me that this is going to work out?

You still have not fixed mining it is impossible to sustain in null-sec without high-sec. Yet you are making the export and import from null-sec to high-sec and the other way around downright impossible?

I'm sorry I'm no genius I did not study game design only economics but even with the 2 semesters of game-theory we had to take I can tell this will kill your company. Because you are about to annihilate your one and only source of income.

Eve in terms of gameplay has only one thing going for it which is that it is a sandbox. PVE in this game is stuck in the 2000 era neither fun nor rewarding nor does it scale. No incentive to do PVE with friends neither is it engaging. Everything in eve takes forever and feels more like a second job then playing a game, and here you are telling us its fine to make it even worse? Please explain to me what studies you guys have done to think that this change will be well received. The problem was never that it was to easy to move the problem was that a fight that should be over in 20 minutes takes 2 hours because of TIDI. The issue you have is TIDI yet you are not addressing it why? Yes to an extend Jump-drives need a nerf but what you are going for right now is ridiculous: Titans -> Forced to take gates to get across regions ye t they have zero ability to defend them-selfs. Even worse logistics meaning Jumpfreithers are you telling me we will need an entire alliance to provide cover fleets every time we want to do logistics and every-time it is going to be 3-6 hour undertaking. Do you really think anybody wants to play a game like this much less pay for it?
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#355 - 2014-10-01 18:10:23 UTC
Let's just let the caps into high sec- it'd let everyone have fun with it!

And I REALLY want to see suicide BS fleets ganking caps on gates!

If you don't like this, HTFU!!!P
NSA Bivas
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#356 - 2014-10-01 18:10:26 UTC
who eat the mushroom???

this will make the eve maps stay as it is no one will attack no one

also this affects wh's u can't attack a wh anymore maybe ccp doesn't know how that works, siding dreads in a wh probing down a null / low sec entrance u jump your ships there u jump in the wh and u log off and wait for a new entrance to spawn so u can sneak in more so u can actually have a fight whit your changes getting to that wh will be impossible if its in null sec and if u get there you'll have only 3 capitals that can jump in

basically what u ppl are doing right now is consolidating the big alliancess spaces so they will never lose it and the same goes for the big corp/alliancess who live in wh's
Multispace Technologies Inc
#357 - 2014-10-01 18:10:27 UTC  |  Edited by: McBorsk
Perfection. Don't change a god damn thing.

Tip my hat to CCP. Big smile
Akrasjel Lanate
Lanate Industries
#358 - 2014-10-01 18:10:28 UTC
We will see how this ends.

PS. Can i have your stuff ?

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude

Utassi Security
#359 - 2014-10-01 18:10:42 UTC
So to be the RP nerd of the thread.

What was the lore about Capital ships using gates previously and how is it being updated, will we see larger Stargates to represent that much larger ships can now jump through them?

Turelus CEO Utassi Security

Alihanna Galtran
Galtran Logistics Inc.
#360 - 2014-10-01 18:10:45 UTC
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:
Aww shut up, you bunch of dinguses-

What ever happened to HTFU?


lol thats what they say when they nerf something that does not affect them!