Player Features and Ideas Discussion

MMO is dying. MOBA where You don't wait for action, skills, etc is getting all the players.

Why it would be a bad idea to speed up sp gain so after 3 months You have 30mil sp?

Less alts. Maybe more alts. Maybe more new players that wouldn't feel bored.

Would it be better for economy? Ppl buying more expensive ships that they can fly.

Most of my friends that abandoned eve said it was too slow to gain sp. They were bored.

Eve is boring when You have no skills to fly ships or You went for some profession that is boring and then realized it shut Your door to doing something more fun and You need to start over.

Good corporations have 15 mil sp minimum req. That is almost a year of training.

With subs problems maybe it is a good idea to make it happen.

You are still limited by isk. And why not ppl play instead of wait.

New players sitting in dreads? Fighting with nullsec aliances? Not possible at this moment. Eaven if new player gets into dread only - it will take him months. What about other ships durning that time?

Times change. EvE should change too to try to grow.

Do You know of any other game that needs years to get skills?

Eaven to complete tutorial You need to wait hours for skills - this is not a good first impression.

Whole thing with alts is that alts are needed - for cyno, for hauling, supers etc.

I don't see how gaining sp faster would kill use of alts.

Not that forcing ppl to have 2 or more accounts is fair. This is too discouraging ppl - one of my friends said he will never get alt because he wants to identify with his toon. So Yea they lost his sub.

Maybe its time to make this game less boring - content for pve is so bad that I don't see how they can get new players with current state of boring wait for sp.

They have such a small effect on SP though (someone's gonna say "no they don't because there!" but yes, they do have a pretty small effect and it could benefit from being more pronounced).

EDIT: Predator, I should clarify. When I said alts, I mean things like Industry, JF, and different PVP focused alts with a lot of SP, not disposable cyno alts etc. It lets CCP sell "multiple character training!" that you see advertised often on the login screen.

Part of the idea behind the current skillpoint system (and its slow rate of accumulation) is that you can't "powergrind" to success. You MUST learn how to utilize what you have first... which requires you to use your head and be creative.
This helps you later on when you can finally use "better" ships/equipment because you have hopefully familiarized yourself with the underlying mechanics that most Tech 1 ships/equipment utilize.

Example: While you may not be able to pilot that sexy Interceptor right away it is certainly possible to slap together a super fast ship that does something similar... allowing you to experience what it is like to fly one.


It also helps you become accustomed with loss as well. Tech 1 stuff is cheap easily lost... especially when you are learning about game mechanics and your skills are improving.
It might not seem so to a rookie (that Tech 1 is cheap), but imagine that they could quickly get into Tech 2, Faction, or even Tech 3 very quickly... without learning game mechanics. How much more do you think a person would rage if they lost something so absurdly expensive due to something they could have cheaply learned at the Tech 1 level?

Good corps have no skill requirements at all because even a day old pilot can make a difference in pvp.

Good corps pick good people. People with the right attitude who can listen and be counted on and then train them.

Remaps & implants used well can speed up training by 40-45%.

This. Skillpoint requirements on corp adverts should be ignored. They are there to weed out the weak willed.

It's like applying for a job which "requires" 2-3 years of working experience in a field when you only have a few months to a year. What you are saying to them is, "I know my stuff and I feel confident about it!"

5 months. +4 implants are pretty cheap these days, even new players (backed up with good advice) can get themselves some +4's & not feel like they've just spent a fortune. The required cybernetics skill to use +4's takes something like 3 days to train.

If you want to retain new players then this is not the way to do it, since the only people this truly benefits is older players. The real issue that I see isn't how long it takes to train skills, but the terrible advice that people give them.

No instant gratification for you OP. I like the fact that after 9 years I still have things to look forwards to and train for.

You keep on comparing EVE to other games. EVE is NOT like anyother game in the world.

Too bad your friends quit, apparently they don't have patience. I rather have 10 patience players play the game than 100 unpatient players.