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Frostys Virpio

State War Academy

Caldari State

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#41 - 2014-09-30 18:35:57 UTC

Seraph IX Basarab wrote:

I don't even really care for gate camping. I roam through ls in a frig and I run across bigger ships that refuse to engage and only travel gate to gate. And I sit there and ask myself why is this allowed? This isn't content.

If you are a solo frig, the bigger ship will still not engage and your your aggression timer to reach a gate and jump while you are locked. You gain absolutely nothing if you are a solo frig as your bigger target also has the buffer to tank you until he reach the gate.

Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces 446
Agondray Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces Likes received: 446	#42 - 2014-09-30 19:00:55 UTC you could just catch yellow/reds or have them accurate a duel on 1 side of a gate and then you wont have to worry about gate guns and you can even do it in empire! "Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith

Seraph IX Basarab

Outer Path

Seraphim Division

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#43 - 2014-09-30 19:21:43 UTC

Frostys Virpio wrote:

Seraph IX Basarab wrote:

*Daredevil webs*

Black Eagle1 2,982
X Gallentius Black Eagle1 Likes received: 2,982	#44 - 2014-09-30 19:29:24 UTC Seraph IX Basarab wrote: I want to do solo. I want to encourage more frig combat outside of FW regions. Warp to top belt and type in local "top belt"


Seraph IX Basarab Outer Path Seraphim Division Likes received: 807	#45 - 2014-09-30 19:32:33 UTC X Gallentius wrote: Seraph IX Basarab wrote: I want to do solo. I want to encourage more frig combat outside of FW regions. Warp to top belt and type in local "top belt" Which is akin to "go sit on your thumb and pretend you're getting laid." Doesn't really work.

Omega Crendraven

The Scope

Gallente Federation

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#46 - 2014-09-30 19:36:05 UTC

Seraph IX Basarab wrote:

X Gallentius wrote:

Seraph IX Basarab wrote:

I want to do solo. I want to encourage more frig combat outside of FW regions.

Warp to top belt and type in local "top belt"

Which is akin to "go sit on your thumb and pretend you're getting laid." Doesn't really work.

srsly mr neckbeard from gate camper alliance, if you want to camp with frigs get a logi dont come sh1tpost here, we have too much already

X Gallentius

Black Eagle1

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#47 - 2014-09-30 19:36:11 UTC

Seraph IX Basarab wrote:

X Gallentius wrote:

Seraph IX Basarab wrote:

I want to do solo. I want to encourage more frig combat outside of FW regions.

Warp to top belt and type in local "top belt"

Which is akin to "go sit on your thumb and pretend you're getting laid." Doesn't really work.

Don't know what to say other than "instalock Celestis" (3x sensor boosters and a warp disruptor). Good luck.


Seraph IX Basarab Outer Path Seraphim Division Likes received: 807	#48 - 2014-09-30 19:42:26 UTC Again the issue isn't catching someone or even camping the gate. It's about making it possible for frigs to engage around a gate in lowsec. Not sure what the indy hauler carebear brigade is whining about that makes that such an issue.

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Robert Caldera Caldera Trading and Investment Likes received: 1,247	#49 - 2014-09-30 20:23:20 UTC \| Edited by: Robert Caldera 0.0 that way -> this is exactly what the OP wants.


Seraph IX Basarab Outer Path Seraphim Division Likes received: 807	#50 - 2014-09-30 20:43:14 UTC Robert Caldera wrote: 0.0 that way -> this is exactly what the OP wants. Yes making it so solo frigs can engage on gates in lowsec = zero.zero

Rivr Luzade

Coreli Corporation

Pandemic Legion

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#51 - 2014-09-30 21:18:23 UTC | Edited by: Rivr Luzade

Seraph IX Basarab wrote:

Suggest that a solo frig can camp a lowsec gate and everyone loses their mind... Roll

Didn't know the industrialist union was so strong here.

So, if it's only 1 frig on the gate camping, the guns won't shoot because blind eye.

But as soon as there are 2 frigs on the gate (either from the beginning or when it warps in from anywhere in the system or jumps in from another system), the guns start shooting both frigs immediately. And if there are more than 1 frigate, like 50 frigates, gate camping, the guns also shoot from the beginning of an engagement against non-pirates, non-suspects, non-criminals.

Do I understand you correctly?

UI Improvement Collective

My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.

Seraph IX Basarab

Outer Path

Seraphim Division

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#52 - 2014-09-30 21:29:27 UTC

Rivr Luzade wrote:

Seraph IX Basarab wrote:

Suggest that a solo frig can camp a lowsec gate and everyone loses their mind... Roll

Didn't know the industrialist union was so strong here.

No. Simply out, guns won't shoot at frigs no matter what. That way we'll see more of a variation of people in lowsec rather than just building ships around the ability to tank gate guns.

Rivr Luzade

Coreli Corporation

Pandemic Legion

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#53 - 2014-09-30 21:33:03 UTC

Seraph IX Basarab wrote:

No. Simply out, guns won't shoot at frigs no matter what. That way we'll see more of a variation of people in lowsec rather than just building ships around the ability to tank gate guns.

Then you should rephrase your first post and any posts you wrote and remove any "solo" from it, because what you want is risk free, easy going mass gate camping in frigates and destroyers. And if you don't do it, other people will exploit it in this way. Does EVE need that? In a way I described it maybe; in a way you want it, definitely not.

UI Improvement Collective

My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.

Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 69
Wolf Incaelum Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic Likes received: 69	#54 - 2014-09-30 21:39:29 UTC If you want a game where frigs and dessies don't get shot by gate guns......try Start Trek Online. ANARCHYFOREVAAARRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!

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Zmikund Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation Likes received: 65	#55 - 2014-09-30 21:47:12 UTC \| Edited by: Zmikund Seraph IX Basarab wrote: Or have CCP change it so that a solo frig can fight at a gate in lowsec and then you can accept that. Or maybe you should accept that CCP will change everything as you cry for it

Jean Luc Lemmont

Carebears on Fire

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#56 - 2014-10-01 00:28:00 UTC

Seraph IX Basarab wrote:

Again the issue isn't catching someone or even camping the gate. It's about making it possible for frigs to engage around a gate in lowsec. Not sure what the indy hauler carebear brigade is whining about that makes that such an issue.

Dude, it's a bad idea. It's not jut the carebears telling you that. Accept the fact that your idea is bad and move on.

Will I get banned for boxing!?!?!

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It's bonuses, not boni, you cretins.

Jack Carrigan

Order of the Shadow

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#57 - 2014-10-01 00:40:33 UTC

All I see is someone crying because they can't do something. Clearly too lazy to hunt with D-Scan and actually find targets. This spews of "EVE is too hard for me, make it easier and round down to lowest common denominator."

Short answer: HTFU

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Zan Shiro

Doomheim

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#58 - 2014-10-01 01:33:51 UTC | Edited by: Zan Shiro

Seraph IX Basarab wrote:

You can't separate the legit soloroam from the camp the issue. Assuming legit, you find a target near gate and want to pop it solo.

Problem is this removes many downsides to camping that same gate. In numbers problems gets worse.

CCP can't balance on the one player (in this case a frigate). Its an MMO, the assumption some players will team up is a very safe one. What is good for the one usually ends up being really damn good for the many.

Example:

You get this, you can now solo kills on a gate no guns. Yay you.

and a small crew with say a keres (eyeing lr tackle option here), kitsune (jam targets so in theory my dps frigs can go real minimal tank as ideally they will not be shot at much) and a few gank spec af's/pirates also gets this. Or cheaper t1 options. that never die to gate guns.

Quite an upgrade from the dice roll cruiser camping is where you hope what is ganked over the night breaks even (for starters, you want profit ideally) on gate guns losses with their wreck drops.

Why not sure you mentioned well people spam ahacs so whats the difference.

I found sick sliver linings when I died in low sec to camps. My travel fits tended to be whatever crap meta not worth selling to say ship was fit in some way. As most of my low sec deaths have been to camps I was pretty much screwed the second I jumped in lol.

If gate guns popped 2 of my gankers for say 30 mil lost in ships/fittings....enjoy the bounty of my wreck drops worth maybe 2 mil. One of them might be able to replace a t2 gun or 2 with that isk...yay them.

This option off the table with untouchable frigs/dessies. Kind of a balance issue there. Not for you as soloist...but like I said ccp knows full well many players like flying with friends.

Seraph IX Basarab

Outer Path

Seraphim Division

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#59 - 2014-10-01 01:51:31 UTC

Rivr Luzade wrote:

Seraph IX Basarab wrote:

No. Simply out, guns won't shoot at frigs no matter what. That way we'll see more of a variation of people in lowsec rather than just building ships around the ability to tank gate guns.

As opposed to easy going mass gate camping in AHACS and Guardians?

Jack Carrigan wrote:

I think all you see from your perspective is what you ate yesterday.

Short reply: Shhh.

Zan Shiro wrote:

Seraph IX Basarab wrote:

Wow an intellectual well thought out reply. There is hope for Eve. Thank you!

We have to consider that if 100 players are going to camp a gate in frigs, they'll likely do the same in AHACs as well. So the argument of "if frigs are gate gun immune we'll see 100 man frig blobs" is unreasonable. Yeah you may, but not because of the change but because you'd see 100 man blobs of X doing that anyway.

Let's scale down the number to a more reasonable size. Most lowsec gate camps are 5-20 people. Those people that would camp the gate with 5-20 HACS or whatever Cruisers suddenly can use frigs as well. So instead of just 20 cruisers, you'd have a mix to include some frigs. It's not that big of a difference with larger gangs because with those numbers the chance of the gate gun targeting your frig is pretty small anyway. So it doesn't even affect this gang.

So what does it affect? Solo frig or small frig gangs in lowsec. And if 5-20 friends want to get together and fly HACS to camp a gate, why should flying 5-20 frigs be such a big thing? Which one do you think is easier for the victim to push through?

it adds variation of gameplay and breaks nothing.

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Caleb Seremshur Commando Guri Guristas Pirates Likes received: 885	#60 - 2014-10-01 02:06:09 UTC Seraph IX Basarab wrote: I want to do solo. I want to encourage more frig combat outside of FW regions. Stop killing everything then. Maybe you'll get more traffic.