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Lowsec gates don't shoot frigs/destroyers
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Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#1 - 2014-09-30 00:23:55 UTC
Currently if you want to camp a lowsec gate you need a group of fairly tanky cruisers at the very least. You need to catch your target and blap it before the gate guns destroy you. This forces the camper to always come with superior numbers. It also excludes frigs from participating.

If frigs/dessies were immune from gate aggro, we could at least see solo or small gangs of frigs camping gates rather than always seeing heavy cruisers doing the job. Before people scream "but this will make it so that ships are easily tackled and have no chance of escape." Good pirates will just fit a tackle proc for the job anyway.

Frig/Dessy lowsec gate immunity because not doing it, is irresponsible.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#2 - 2014-09-30 00:47:55 UTC
Because I am anti-pirate I can't explain how to do it P

But I can tell you, you can low sec gank with frigates, just not solo.
Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#3 - 2014-09-30 00:49:41 UTC
I want to do solo. I want to encourage more frig combat outside of FW regions.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#4 - 2014-09-30 00:53:30 UTC
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
I want to do solo. I want to encourage more frig combat outside of FW regions.


Then you'll have to accept that as a solo frig pilot there are things that will be beyond your abilities to accomplish.
Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#5 - 2014-09-30 01:07:19 UTC
Or have CCP change it so that a solo frig can fight at a gate in lowsec and then you can accept that.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#6 - 2014-09-30 01:14:48 UTC
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
Or have CCP change it so that a solo frig can fight at a gate in lowsec and then you can accept that.


And after you have killed 5 or 6 empty Iteron and the Sentry are shooting you due to -10.00 should this be null and void too? Because you are -10.00 in a frigate?
Hopelesshobo
Hoboland
#7 - 2014-09-30 01:21:14 UTC
The place for the solo frig to camp a gate would be nulsec, where there are no gate guns.

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Wolf Incaelum
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2014-09-30 01:30:22 UTC
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
Or have CCP change it so that a solo frig can fight at a gate in lowsec and then you can accept that.


Yeah, Alvatore DiMarco. Accept THAT. HAH! How do you like THEM apples. Lol. You tell em', Seraph. Roll

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Ines Tegator
Serious Business Inc. Ltd. LLC. etc.
#9 - 2014-09-30 01:32:14 UTC
So, make lowsec like nullsec.

No. Just go to nullsec.

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#10 - 2014-09-30 01:39:53 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
I want to do solo. I want to encourage more frig combat outside of FW regions.


Then you'll have to accept that as a solo frig pilot there are things that will be beyond your abilities to accomplish.

Exactly this.

By having to bring stuff heavier than frigs/dessies to lock down a gate you essentially have to "commit" to that particular area (because you are slower and more unwieldy). This makes you more vulnerable to other, faster groups of people (who may be in frigs and dessies ironically enough) or MUCH larger threats (like capital hotdrops).

There are some things that small ships can do that lager ships cannot. There are also things that large ships can do that smaller ships cannot. Gatecamping [as a neutral or against neutrals] in low-sec falls into the latter category. I do not see a problem with it.

How did you Veterans start?
God's Apples
Wilderness
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#11 - 2014-09-30 01:41:53 UTC
This is possibly the worst idea ever proposed.

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Foxstar Damaskeenus
why did i join this corp
Not Purple Shoot It.
#12 - 2014-09-30 01:46:09 UTC
God's Apples wrote:
This is possibly the worst idea ever proposed.


Yep

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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#13 - 2014-09-30 02:02:26 UTC
Foxstar Damaskeenus wrote:
God's Apples wrote:
This is possibly the worst idea ever proposed.


Yep


Worse than selling skillpoint boosters Aurum store? Because that's been proposed and was pretty terrible.
Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#14 - 2014-09-30 02:10:54 UTC
Suggest that a solo frig can camp a lowsec gate and everyone loses their mind...Roll

Didn't know the industrialist union was so strong here.
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
#15 - 2014-09-30 02:18:16 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Foxstar Damaskeenus wrote:
God's Apples wrote:
This is possibly the worst idea ever proposed.


Yep


Worse than selling skillpoint boosters Aurum store? Because that's been proposed and was pretty terrible.



I don't know. If you have a lot of money in real life it you can do stuff that most people can't. Doesn't seem game breaking :)
Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#16 - 2014-09-30 04:15:38 UTC
Just go a few jumps out into null sec.

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Toriessian
Helion Production Labs
Independent Operators Consortium
#17 - 2014-09-30 04:35:00 UTC
I think it'd be fair if the gate guns didn't have 100% perfect tracking and sig radius mattered with them.

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Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#18 - 2014-09-30 06:55:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Zan Shiro
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:
Suggest that a solo frig can camp a lowsec gate and everyone loses their mind...Roll

Didn't know the industrialist union was so strong here.



Your issue (well one of many) would be not everyone would use it solo, even if that intent is genuine.

So it be large number of gank frigs on the gate who don't face reprisal for the gank you get problems. they'd be deathtraps.

This off the bat gave me visions of EAF supported max gank fit frigs camps. Or just run t1 e-war if too cheap for that. throw in logi frigs not dying.....gets really fun. And I haven't even tacked in fleet booster off grid yet. Yes I know you want solo (or say you do)....ccp knows many unlike you would team up for some wicked combos.


Current setup if really pulling shortest straw and what is dying in the camp is not covering losses....campers start to go this just ain't working out tonight. Give them ships immune to gate guns, fly them with tactics and fits make them hard to defeat (if even possible)....they will fish that hole all day and night long.
Thorr VonAsgard
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-09-30 07:36:19 UTC
Seraph IX Basarab wrote:

Frig/Dessy lowsec gate immunity because not doing it, is irresponsible.


Yeah yeah, and then 100+ camp with only freg without to fear sentries....

Bad bad idea

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Lugh Crow-Slave
#20 - 2014-09-30 07:44:49 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Foxstar Damaskeenus wrote:
God's Apples wrote:
This is possibly the worst idea ever proposed.


Yep


Worse than selling skillpoint boosters Aurum store? Because that's been proposed and was pretty terrible.

Don't forget the "give all ships jump drives" post.

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
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