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An explorer's tale

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Serah Rivia
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-09-27 15:09:30 UTC
Greetings and thank you for taking your time to read my short experience of eve.I am making this post,motivated by a lot of ingame events,hoping to create some impact or raise some questions that i believe all explorers can relate.

Here i am,trying this new game,Eve,requires you to commit to it in order to be able to move around...It is not a bad thing,i love the darwnism in this game...big fish eats the small ect.The greatest career for me (or more compeling) was the exploration,and i m sure that was for quite a lot of people.Easy money,quick and fun most of the time,venturing forth to the unknown,meeting stations and dangers and who knows what! It all sounds so enchanting...But is it really? a month and a half training and playing every day in order to get a good hold of my career choice,get ready for the void...suddenly getting stonewalled by smartbombs,and warpdisruptors and you name it...

Dont get me wrong,risk is what i signed for and i do not delude myself ,and as i said before, big fish eat the small.But hey,this is a game!We re in for it for fun,maybe some adrenaline too,although i quilcky found death,and nothing else in the career i chose.Long hours of scanning and hacking,every day,with an expensive ship (Astero) ,making each death a huge drawback for a beginner.And thats okay,if one is careless and needs to learn by his mistakes (I sure did).And what i learned is quite simple...if you re an explorer,you re done for.You have no chance,at all! And this is what i dislike and takes away enjoyment.

Warp dis.bubbles .Smart bombs,containers that push you out of Cloaking dev. warp disruptors...there is no way one can escape these,trust me,i tried tenfold and every time i died i saw people thinking diffrent things in order to kill you...

Why not have a balance to this?Why should a whole career choice be regareded as the "McDonalds" of Eve?As i said before,Eve reminds me of evolution,but in evolution you see the smaller beings have diffrent mechanics that work.I dont see why 6 hours of farming should go to waste with 1 warp disruptor bubble in the only pathway to the capitals.

Marc Durant
#2 - 2014-09-27 15:13:11 UTC
Just because you approach it the wrong way (possibly due to a lack of understanding) and are incapable of dealing with the problems that stem from your mistaken approach doesn't mean it's broken or requires attention.

Yes, yes I am. Thanks for noticing.
Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#3 - 2014-09-27 15:13:36 UTC
As a hunter of explorers I see a LOT get away with some simple tricks and mechanics. The difference is that not everyone knows these tricks so I still get to eat sometimes.

Atm YOU dont know them, once you do, and no I wont tell you them, youll not be such easy prey.

Another thing Id suggest is to NOT start in the most expensive scanning ship out there as a new bro can seriously lose a lot of fun and isk in an astero right off the bat. Even a Tech 2 covert ops frigate is cheaper.

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
bigman111222
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#4 - 2014-09-27 15:16:23 UTC
Fly a cheaper ship, anathema and the like, Learn to escape gate camps, Use wormholes to get to null, join a renter Corp to access to a whole region. List goes on. Most importantly spend another month learning how to pvp
Priscilla Project
Doomheim
#5 - 2014-09-27 15:23:07 UTC
Uhm ... so why do you fly an expensive ship in the first place,
when you're a noob anyway? That's simply a daft choice,
especially when you keep dieing over and over again!

No one forces you to use an Astero.
Use cheaper ships until you find out how to deal with the situation.
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Prince Sanguine
#6 - 2014-09-27 15:40:45 UTC
I'll gladly help you. Meet me in your ship in a low sec system that goes to null. Let's say, taisy gate? What do you say?

Everytime you read this you are required to send 100 million isk directly to me.
Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#7 - 2014-09-27 15:42:42 UTC
Fist off; welcome to EVE.

I'm glad you found a path that appeals to you. Your setbacks are a source of information for you it seems. In my opinion, the best way to learn and become a "big fish".

I would like to suggest keeping things more simple for now. As suggested, you are currently losing an expensive ship in ways that could be prevented. Although that fits in with your method of learning it is also harder to come back from as you mentioned. It can also hollow out the "fun part" and become disheartening. Which is what is happening if I read your post correctly.

With keeping things simple I mean the following:

- Use a cheap ship to start.
- Play in an environment that is exciting, but still manageable. Lowsec has less riches, but also lacks bubbles for example.
- Upgrade your ship, the risks you take and your rewards as your skill increases. Every trick you learn will add to your skill.
- Don't undock what you can't afford to lose. As you gain money by exploring, use that to buy an extra ship and not a replacement. If your new Astero dies, you will still have the ship that you used to make money for the Astero. So you can try again.

Lastly; you will never be truly safe. No matter how skilled, old or hardcore you are. Every now and then, you will have bad luck. Everybody loses ships. Accept that. Skill or no skill. We lose ships while playing EVE. All of us.

Good luck!
Serah Rivia
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-09-27 15:48:28 UTC
Guys,i see what you are trying to say,and i did not cover these parts because i would have to writte an essay for each trap people think of.

Warpbubbles,you think warping from a sun,or a planet or even from you own saved locations is gonna do the trick ? No,it wont,you will fall right into the warp bubbles,and on the containers,1.5 sec later you re dead because they poped another warp bubble on the spot just for you.

Why fly astero?The bonus that it gives are amazing,5+ on vir str? Its a must ,and bear in mind,not all players play this game for years,we cannot use 23mil ships without more than a month training.

There are no mechanics what so ever,what we have is one cloak,which doesnt help very much as i find out.

Another simple trick to ruin a explorer's day is to put the bubble near or behind the gate,so even if he warps with cloak on,he s done for,the gate will remove it,and will be vulnerable 5 times the time required for him to die.

Guys,please,if you are going to tell me to use a cheaper ship,come on. I am not a total idiot,there is reason for what i do.And i managed to escape once or twice,but having a survivability rate less than 20% gives me no comfort.
Priscilla Project
Doomheim
#9 - 2014-09-27 15:48:57 UTC
Yarda Black wrote:
Fist off; welcome to EVE.
Awesome typo! :D
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Serah Rivia
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-09-27 15:50:06 UTC
Marc Durant wrote:
Just because you approach it the wrong way (possibly due to a lack of understanding) and are incapable of dealing with the problems that stem from your mistaken approach doesn't mean it's broken or requires attention.


Tried loads of diffrent approaches mate,and i always consider what went wrong in every time i died,more than 15 in a month i might add.Its not lack of understanding,quite the opposite.Understanding leading met o conclusions that i m so over my head because i have nothing to help me survive
Priscilla Project
Doomheim
#11 - 2014-09-27 15:51:42 UTC
Serah Rivia wrote:
Guys,i see what you are trying to say,and i did not cover these parts because i would have to writte an essay for each trap people think of.

Warpbubbles,you think warping from a sun,or a planet or even from you own saved locations is gonna do the trick ? No,it wont,you will fall right into the warp bubbles,and on the containers,1.5 sec later you re dead because they poped another warp bubble on the spot just for you.

Why fly astero?The bonus that it gives are amazing,5+ on vir str? Its a must ,and bear in mind,not all players play this game for years,we cannot use 23mil ships without more than a month training.

There are no mechanics what so ever,what we have is one cloak,which doesnt help very much as i find out.

Another simple trick to ruin a explorer's day is to put the bubble near or behind the gate,so even if he warps with cloak on,he s done for,the gate will remove it,and will be vulnerable 5 times the time required for him to die.

Guys,please,if you are going to tell me to use a cheaper ship,come on. I am not a total idiot,there is reason for what i do.And i managed to escape once or twice,but having a survivability rate less than 20% gives me no comfort.

Uhm ... if you do not warp to gates with warp bubbles in line of the route ...
... then you do not get dragged into them.

If you believe you need to fly an expensive ship because of it's stats ...
... that's fine ...
... but you will just pointlessly keep losing it.

It's not a must at all ... you just think it is.


Sorry, but it seems that you are overestimating yourself here. Other people can do it too ...
... so obviously the fault isn't the game. You don't see hundreds of threads coming up about this, do you?


The issue is you, not the game.



So you get lots of helpfull replies ... and you do not actually accept them.


What's the point of this thread?


It seems there is none.
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Serah Rivia
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-09-27 16:00:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Serah Rivia
I am sorry it seems that way,and i was most certainly not trying to seem ungrateful or arrogant.

But i havent seen anything that i was doing wrong yet...What is the point of a cheap ship?If i waste 6 hours of hunting relics,does the ship matter that much?

What am i not understanding...what is that i miss? Say that i make a mistake,it costs a lot more than a couple of millions.Now say that a guy thats waiting with a warpbubble makes a mistake...nothing happens,worst case senario the explorer escapes.

Why does the cost on me have to be so grave,while the cost on the other player is null?
And,why do i have to necessarily die if i get caught?Give me a way to counter the other player's tactics,like they counter mine.

If you warp to a gate from the sun or planet,you still get sucked into the warp bubble if its near the gate,even 100km if i m not mistaken...happened like 1 hour ago...
Priscilla Project
Doomheim
#13 - 2014-09-27 16:05:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Priscilla Project
Your cost is high, because you choose to invest so much.
Why isn't this obvious? This is your obvious first mistake.

You invest much, you lose much.
Invest less to learn it, then when you know how to survive you can invest more again.



And ...


There are more spots in space you can use to warp to a gate.


You can bookmark in midwarp.
You can warp to that bookmark.
You can warp to a different celestial.
Bookmark in midwarp again.
Warp to that bookmark.

Find an angle that is unlikely to have a drag bubble in line ...
... by making sure that there's no celestial behind you when you warp to the gate from midspace.


And, especially, why not simply move somewhere else?
It's not like this everywhere. You can move further away and see for yourself.
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Netan MalDoran
Hail To The King
The Silent Syndicate
#14 - 2014-09-27 16:08:20 UTC
Why use an Astero???? I've been an explorer for some time now and I have fallen back on T1 Frigs for Explo. I used to use T2, but I ocassionally lost them and I would prefer to lose a 1 mil ship rather than a 30 mil ship.

And yeah, either get out of null or DON'T WARP TO GATES!!! BM's are your friend!

"Your security status has been lowered." - Hell yeah it was!

Falcon's truth
Serah Rivia
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2014-09-27 16:13:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Serah Rivia
Pris I used all the above you suggested...bookmarks in the middle of nowhere ect,doesnt seem to work when the gate is camped

If i venture out there for 20 mil a time,while the ship costs around 9mil,where does that leave me?I do not overcommit as you well said,but still,if i die all my implants,all the loot is just gone...And i m okay with that really.Loses are acceptable,but no chance of surviving is not!(Plus,i did do that with a imicus more times than my fingers,i m not just a new guy whining) .
The risk is just way to high!Every entrance to the highsec from null,and vise versa is usualy camped.And i go there knowing it,knowing what i m doing!Keeping my invisibility, so the close range proximity of the gate does not remove it,had i cloaked beforehand, fron a nearest planet if possible,after having D scanned to see what is going on on the gate...Still,no use at all!
Priscilla Project
Doomheim
#16 - 2014-09-27 16:16:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Priscilla Project
Well ... try somewhere else.

It's weekend. The risk is perfectly fine. Other people want to play too,
and that means they wait for people to come through the high-null gates.


That's simply how it is.


No one forces you to go to null ...
... there are lots of other systems you can go to.

You can check the map for high-null systems that aren't camped,
by checking if there are any kills there or not.


You have plenty of options, really.


If you can't get into any null (I doubt you have tried all options) then
you have to accept reality and go explore somewhere else.
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Serah Rivia
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-09-27 16:23:44 UTC
Yes!indeed! Thats not my problem! My problem as i tried to express is that i have nothing to defend my self! The situation as i experienced it is me being the moneymaker of others!

Imagine if i could just disable every ship in 10 kms away,rendering unable to fire or use anything at all,and then you get to see how i lived this career till now. A simple container can kill me,and i lose quite some time of my life for it.Whats my counter move for that?Trust me,i even tried looting the container so i can go back to my cloak! I did try to solve these problems for me before i made a thread,asked around...

And i still dont see anything that supports there is a balance to all this...Exept if you consider luck balance...if i m lucky,i might escape..for the time being or for the next system to die

And i did try to go to null with WH ,and found out the most secure entrances to the null....or so i thought.

What i ask is,is there something huge that i am missing?Or this is how the game mechanics are..?Is there something big i should know and i dont? Because right now,as an explorer,i feel like i have to defend myself with a pencil against a dinosaur..
Priscilla Project
Doomheim
#18 - 2014-09-27 16:28:58 UTC
You're exploring.
Obviously your best defense is a cloak.

If others outsmart you and you can't stay cloaked,
your next best defense is to stay away.


As it's not possible for you to give us accurate enough information about what's going on,
because describing sometimes isn't enough and maybe you're missing a point ...
... there really is not much you can do, except to stop going where you are getting killed the most.


And again, in regards to defending yourself .......

You're an explorer.

That means ...

If you get caught, then you are doing it wrong.
If you move somewhere over and over again, where you get caught ... then you are doing it wrong.


Without people actually seeing what you are doing, (try the twitch client that's integrated, maybe?)
there really isn't much more than we can do,
and you simply have to *move somewhere else*.
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Serah Rivia
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-09-27 16:35:36 UTC
Thanks a lot for your time and effort to help me out! The twitch i did not know,i might try it...

But my main concern is...1 tritaniun can render my cloak useless,and its so easy,actualy,i dont have a choice regarding being caught at gates...i have to use them,no alternative!Warp bubbles that suck me in ect ect..

And you still think this is balanced..? Am i in defensive psychology..or i just miss your point? Because not getting caught is ...impossible!
Priscilla Project
Doomheim
#20 - 2014-09-27 16:41:52 UTC
Serah Rivia wrote:
Thanks a lot for your time and effort to help me out! The twitch i did not know,i might try it...

But my main concern is...1 tritaniun can render my cloak useless,and its so easy,actualy,i dont have a choice regarding being caught at gates...i have to use them,no alternative!Warp bubbles that suck me in ect ect..

And you still think this is balanced..? Am i in defensive psychology..or i just miss your point? Because not getting caught is ...impossible!
No it's not.
In your ship, with your fitting ... probably.

Doesn't mean the same is valid for other people.


Welcome to EVE ONLINE.
It's not fair at all. (:
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