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Harder punishment for High-Sec carebears

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Iain Cariaba
#61 - 2014-09-29 05:05:29 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
personally I think it's great that you can earn more in highsec than in some parts of nullsec. Lot's of nullsec is ridiculously safe, highsec, where you can't shoot at the guys who may be coming to kill you, is actually significantly more dangerous, and deserves higher rewards. As for making highsec incursions CONCORD free zones, good luck with that, lolz, they will be just as desolate as nullsec incursions.

The only reason nullsec appears safer than highsec is because it's easier to tell who the hostiles are, NBSI and all. It still boils down to the fact that everyone in null is able to shoot you with zero repercussions, where in highsec only those willing to become criminals will shoot at you. Now that doesn't mean highsec is safe, merely that the potential for the neutral beside you to be an enemy is reduced below sure certainty. Keeping your wits about you in null will keep you safe, applying the same philosophies to highsec gives you total security. So no, highsec doesn't deserve higher rewards.

As far as incursions becoming dead zones if they become Concord free areas, I'm still waiting on how lowering the amount of people milking these generally risk free isk printers is a bad thing. You were even pontificating in another thread about the inflation of EvE's economy, well inflation is caused by an excess of currency, so lowering the influx of isk coming from highsec incursions can only be good.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#62 - 2014-09-29 05:22:25 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:


As far as incursions becoming dead zones if they become Concord free areas, I'm still waiting on how lowering the amount of people milking these generally risk free isk printers is a bad thing. You were even pontificating in another thread about the inflation of EvE's economy, well inflation is caused by an excess of currency, so lowering the influx of isk coming from highsec incursions can only be good.


Oh dear...the fact remains that vast swaths of null are empty and easy risk free farming. In fact Eve is undergoing deflation, not inflation, so we need more isk faucets, and less mining. Hence, if anything, we would want to buff incursion rewards. And incursions are the finest PvE content in Eve....not to mention that do to the current drama actual payouts are way down.
Iain Cariaba
#63 - 2014-09-29 05:40:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Iain Cariaba
Veers Belvar wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:


As far as incursions becoming dead zones if they become Concord free areas, I'm still waiting on how lowering the amount of people milking these generally risk free isk printers is a bad thing. You were even pontificating in another thread about the inflation of EvE's economy, well inflation is caused by an excess of currency, so lowering the influx of isk coming from highsec incursions can only be good.


Oh dear...the fact remains that vast swaths of null are empty and easy risk free farming. In fact Eve is undergoing deflation, not inflation, so we need more isk faucets, and less mining. Hence, if anything, we would want to buff incursion rewards. And incursions are the finest PvE content in Eve....not to mention that do to the current drama actual payouts are way down.

A trend of deflation over the whole market would be a good thing after the overall long trend of inflation we have gone through, if such a deflation trend actually existed beyond your small sample of the overall economy. Picking a few specialty items out of the whole of the economy does not make an accurate economic trend.

Those vast swaths of null are owned by people who will shoot you if you're not one of them, and for the most part theh aren't looking to let people in, outside of renters, that are just looking to print isk.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#64 - 2014-09-29 10:53:55 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:

Oh dear...the fact remains that vast swaths of null are empty and easy risk free farming.


They are not risk free, and most of them are empty because their median isk per hour is worse than level 4 missions.

And least try to have a clue of what you're talking about?

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Valkin Mordirc
#65 - 2014-09-29 11:21:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Valkin Mordirc
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:

Oh dear...the fact remains that vast swaths of null are empty and easy risk free farming.


They are not risk free, and most of them are empty because their median isk per hour is worse than level 4 missions.

And least try to have a clue of what you're talking about?



Need you even ask that question? Of course he doesn't.


I believe he is suffering from the 'grass is always green on the other side effect'

On top of the rampant drug hazed stupidity we get from him on a day to day basis.
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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2014-09-30 08:56:21 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:


As far as incursions becoming dead zones if they become Concord free areas, I'm still waiting on how lowering the amount of people milking these generally risk free isk printers is a bad thing. You were even pontificating in another thread about the inflation of EvE's economy, well inflation is caused by an excess of currency, so lowering the influx of isk coming from highsec incursions can only be good.


Oh dear...the fact remains that vast swaths of null are empty and easy risk free farming. In fact Eve is undergoing deflation, not inflation, so we need more isk faucets, and less mining. Hence, if anything, we would want to buff incursion rewards. And incursions are the finest PvE content in Eve....not to mention that do to the current drama actual payouts are way down.


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Balshem Rozenzweig
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#67 - 2014-09-30 09:38:28 UTC
if you want to torture carebears you need to make sure there are any left to torture. You torment them, you humiliate them, but you do not destroy them Roll

All that saying - Balshem is a care bearish alt I sometimes bring to low sec in order to get some stuff done. I enjoy slower pace and farming (I do need to fund my pvp ships somehow) in low sec feels like multitasking - it's not what I want to do at 8:00 p.m after 8hrs at work and spending time with my family for the rest of the day.

On the other hand it's really cool that high sec ganking/war decing creates so much content. It's amazing that you get to have whole community specializing in hauling stuff just because everyone else is afraid to. Gj!

TL;DR - don't push the stuff too far. People care bear sometimes. Hard core carebears are precious tear generator. High sec pvp is needed.

If you want missions in low sec - - - > come to amarr/militia FW zone and show us how you do them. I'd love some battle ship kills. Otherwise - don't push things too far, because everyone likes to chill once in a while.

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New Eden Tech Support
#68 - 2014-09-30 10:01:39 UTC
from another thread
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Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#69 - 2014-09-30 10:58:26 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:

  • NPC corps of opposing factions are at war by default, mirroring FW.


  • No joke, that would be amazing. Exclude starter corps of course. Just the other NPC corps you get when you leave real corps. Also make all players moved forcefully from the noob corps after 6 months.

    That woudl be the most amazing thing to grace eve EVER.

    "If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"

    Kagura Nikon
    Native Freshfood
    Minmatar Republic
    #70 - 2014-09-30 11:01:02 UTC
    Leto Thule wrote:
    Renegade Heart wrote:
    With that kind of plaform Leto Thule you'd get my vote for CSM Cool


    I promise, if I am elected to the CSM, that I will enjoy my free trip to iceland, and get extremely wasted while lobbying for nerfs to the nerfers.



    Can you assure us that during your term you will have zero tolerance towards intolerance even against the intolerants?

    "If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"

    Leto Thule
    Caldari Provisions
    Caldari State
    #71 - 2014-09-30 12:28:31 UTC
    Kagura Nikon wrote:
    Leto Thule wrote:
    Renegade Heart wrote:
    With that kind of plaform Leto Thule you'd get my vote for CSM Cool


    I promise, if I am elected to the CSM, that I will enjoy my free trip to iceland, and get extremely wasted while lobbying for nerfs to the nerfers.



    Can you assure us that during your term you will have zero tolerance towards intolerance even against the intolerants?


    I can confirm that I am an equal-opportunity offender.

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    Luwc
    State War Academy
    Caldari State
    #72 - 2014-09-30 14:48:08 UTC
    THULE FOR CSM

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    Anslo
    Scope Works
    #73 - 2014-09-30 15:09:42 UTC
    lolwat

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    Ralph King-Griffin
    New Eden Tech Support
    #74 - 2014-09-30 15:18:12 UTC
    Anslo wrote:
    lolwat

    satire mother******

    do you speak it!
    Lady Ayeipsia
    BlueWaffe
    #75 - 2014-09-30 15:26:22 UTC
    Leto Thule wrote:

  • Once wardecced, you do not have the ablity to leave corp at all. The button is grayed out. The only way out is to surrender or win. If the defender (and allies) beats the aggressor after 1 week (isk war), the aggressor is unable to declare war for two weeks after that.

  • Ok... I'll bite... What's the mechanic when the war is mutual? People always forget that wars can be made mutual.
    Leto Thule
    Caldari Provisions
    Caldari State
    #76 - 2014-09-30 15:33:14 UTC
    Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
    Leto Thule wrote:

  • Once wardecced, you do not have the ablity to leave corp at all. The button is grayed out. The only way out is to surrender or win. If the defender (and allies) beats the aggressor after 1 week (isk war), the aggressor is unable to declare war for two weeks after that.

  • Ok... I'll bite... What's the mechanic when the war is mutual? People always forget that wars can be made mutual.


    Ok, assuming we are going with the idea that this is a legitimate idea thread, ill provide.

    A mutual war would stay the same as is, until one corp attempts to leave it. After the war is declared non-mutual, the above mechanic would apply.

    If we were going with this.

    Please read admiral root's post. Big smile

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    Ned Thomas
    Sebiestor Tribe
    Minmatar Republic
    #77 - 2014-09-30 17:48:21 UTC
    Leto Thule wrote:
    Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
    Leto Thule wrote:

  • Once wardecced, you do not have the ablity to leave corp at all. The button is grayed out. The only way out is to surrender or win. If the defender (and allies) beats the aggressor after 1 week (isk war), the aggressor is unable to declare war for two weeks after that.

  • Ok... I'll bite... What's the mechanic when the war is mutual? People always forget that wars can be made mutual.


    Ok, assuming we are going with the idea that this is a legitimate idea thread, ill provide.

    A mutual war would stay the same as is, until one corp attempts to leave it. After the war is declared non-mutual, the above mechanic would apply.

    If we were going with this.

    Please read admiral root's post. Big smile


    So as not to ruin RvB's gameplay, let's add a mechanic where mutual decs allow members to move freely between the opposing sides.

    Now let us imagine how that can be exploited.....
    Lady Ayeipsia
    BlueWaffe
    #78 - 2014-09-30 17:52:20 UTC
    Ned Thomas wrote:
    Leto Thule wrote:
    Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
    Leto Thule wrote:

  • Once wardecced, you do not have the ablity to leave corp at all. The button is grayed out. The only way out is to surrender or win. If the defender (and allies) beats the aggressor after 1 week (isk war), the aggressor is unable to declare war for two weeks after that.

  • Ok... I'll bite... What's the mechanic when the war is mutual? People always forget that wars can be made mutual.


    Ok, assuming we are going with the idea that this is a legitimate idea thread, ill provide.

    A mutual war would stay the same as is, until one corp attempts to leave it. After the war is declared non-mutual, the above mechanic would apply.

    If we were going with this.

    Please read admiral root's post. Big smile


    So as not to ruin RvB's gameplay, let's add a mechanic where mutual decs allow members to move freely between the opposing sides.

    Now let us imagine how that can be exploited.....


    For RvB, that would be perfect, for at times we must shuffle members between corps for balance purposes. For the rest of you...hmm... This seems like it could have some fun consequences.
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    The Conference Elite
    Safety.
    #79 - 2014-09-30 18:09:44 UTC
    Mining should be made to include aspects of katamari damacy.

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    Agondray
    Avenger Mercenaries
    VOID Intergalactic Forces
    #80 - 2014-09-30 18:34:14 UTC
    Right carebearing should be done away with, it should become PVP all the time and you would have to buy your isk and modules with your bank account (well until the market runs out) then you can bump each other with your pods, have fun with that

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