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Jita Miners Indices

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Neugeniko
Insight Securities
#41 - 2014-10-17 03:17:58 UTC
Updated the Jita Miners Indices/Mining Simulator spreadsheet to Version 2.9

- More refined Asteroid Size statistic for calculating overmining. Statistics for Hisec and Lowsec are sound, Nullsec statistics need work.
- Ability to select what asteroid statistics are used. Selections - COMPARE (for comparing secs), HI, LOW & NULL.
- Ability to set the asteroid spawn size, more info on typical values in HELP subsheet.

Cheers,
Neug
Neugeniko
Insight Securities
#42 - 2014-10-20 17:03:06 UTC
Market Alert - For the first time since Crius launch the Compression Index has dropped below the Refining Index. It has been a slow decline over the last month. This serves as a warning that POS compression arrays should soon be replaced/augmented with refining arrays if you desire maximum profit.

Cheers,
Neug
Neugeniko
Insight Securities
#43 - 2014-10-24 23:17:44 UTC
Market Call - Compressed Ore Market will hit rock bottom in 48hrs. Jita Ore Refiners should keep a eye out for good buy order opportunities.

Cheers,
Neug
Neugeniko
Insight Securities
#44 - 2014-10-25 11:27:55 UTC
The compressed ore market dropped to within 2% of ore today. It was the equivalent of having 73.5% refine (less than max for a refining array, 75.25%). A rise in demand for compressed Scordite and Veldspar has recovered the market slightly and things shouldn't slide any lower for the weekend.

Neug
Neugeniko
Insight Securities
#45 - 2014-10-26 23:13:15 UTC
We'll it's been about 48 hours since I made the call. Lets do a review.
- Referencing the indices I calculate. The compression index dropped below the refining index on Tuesday. The effective refining rate of compression dropped to below 76%.
- The effective refining rate hit about 74.5% on Friday.
- The effective refining rate of compression hit about 73.5% Saturday morning eve time. This was its lowest point since Crius launch.
- 4 of the 18 high sec compressed ores opened up to profitability doing station refining for about 12 hours on saturday.
- By Sunday morning the effective refining rate of compression recovered to 77%.
- At the moment the effective refining rate is at 74.3%

Interpretation

The compressed ore market appears to be behaving similar to the ore market. In that it is now generally flat (bottomed out) compared to minerals but rather than at 72%+/-2% refining rate value it appears to be at 75%+/2. I expect this trend to continue over the coming period until compressed ore supplies are reduced.

The most likely candidate for a reduction in supply that will raise the market is compressed plagioclase & variants. Those with the refining skills and a refining array can refine instead of compress it for better profitability at the moment.

There is the possibility of the effective refining rate of compression dropping below 73% but not for long as station refiners in jita will be motivated to buy on order at this level.

PS: I'm going to check market again at midnight west coast USA time when all the weekends mining is generally sold up.

Thanks for reading,
Neug
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
#46 - 2014-10-27 16:58:52 UTC
The way I see it you are best off to compress all your ore you wish to sell in the first instance if for no other reason than it is far easier to transport in that state.

Regarding sell order prices for compressed ore as the nullsec community has pointed out numerous times (I'm not a nullsec resident.) the prices have been set far too high for ages. Notably the prices for compressed Golden Omber have been utterly ridiculously high. It' s best to sell at the highest buy order prices at Jita based on maximum high sec reprocessing rates at an array no matter your location. Buyers will likely have the requisite skills to refine the ore and can transport the compressed ore easily.

No one should be selling compressed ore at less than the highest buy order value of the reprocessed mineral value.

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Neugeniko
Insight Securities
#47 - 2014-11-01 08:37:49 UTC
Just a quick update. Compression is currently equivalent to 74% refine. Excluding null and lowsec ores, compression is currently equivalent to 75.23% refine, almost exactly the rate of a refining array with max skills - 75.25%.

Cheers,
Neug
Barefoot Shiraz
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#48 - 2014-11-04 11:43:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Barefoot Shiraz
I know it doesn't make much difference to the rates and amounts to sustain a POS etc, but any way to add more miners to the equations?

Something to take that "you must mine this much to not lose money on a POS" figure and break it down into some kind of time requirement perhaps.

Great charts by the way :)

Everyone has been advising me COMPRESS!COMPRESS!COMPRESS! and it seems for highsec ores at least it's not the case.

I'm curious though that this is giving me vastly lower numbers than IPH for the same mining ventures. IPH is telling me 14-16m/hr for highsec rocks, your sheet is telling me 5m/hr.
Neugeniko
Insight Securities
#49 - 2014-11-04 18:50:21 UTC
Barefoot Shiraz wrote:
I know it doesn't make much difference to the rates and amounts to sustain a POS etc, but any way to add more miners to the equations?

Something to take that "you must mine this much to not lose money on a POS" figure and break it down into some kind of time requirement perhaps.

Great charts by the way :)

Everyone has been advising me COMPRESS!COMPRESS!COMPRESS! and it seems for highsec ores at least it's not the case.

I'm curious though that this is giving me vastly lower numbers than IPH for the same mining ventures. IPH is telling me 14-16m/hr for highsec rocks, your sheet is telling me 5m/hr.


No way to add more miners other than having multiple copies of the sheet to represent other setups. But you can increase the number of lasers and drones under laser/drone info to simulate more identical mining ships.

I can give a hours of mining per day to pay for the pos from extra compression profits, I'll make a note, but big fixes and asteriod statistics are a priority ATM.

Yeah it nice to known if your best off refining, compressing or selling ore.

Biggest effect on IPH is asteroid spawn size if your not managing overmining but 5 m per hour seems low compared to 15. Should be at least half. If you tell me your setup and share the spreadsheet I can have a look at it...

Cheers
Neug
Barefoot Shiraz
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#50 - 2014-11-10 07:56:24 UTC
Still getting vastly different numbers on this and IPH. 35m an hour (compressed) for 9 lasers on your sheet vs 32m an hour for one Hulk on ore alone in IPH.
Neugeniko
Insight Securities
#51 - 2014-11-10 10:21:02 UTC
Barefoot Shiraz wrote:
Still getting vastly different numbers on this and IPH. 35m an hour (compressed) for 9 lasers on your sheet vs 32m an hour for one Hulk on ore alone in IPH.


Check that you have info for the orca or rorqual under ship/hauler info. You can copy that info from the original sheet. Sorry cant help more without looking at your sheet.

Neug
Barefoot Shiraz
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#52 - 2014-11-10 14:49:09 UTC
What address would I share it back to?

I'm wondering if I'm just not looking in the right place.

While the Indices and Simulator pages are both showing around 9m ISK per hour, the "Hulk+Orca combo" section at the bottom of the Useful Info tab is showing 34m ISK per hour (similar to IPH).
Neugeniko
Insight Securities
#53 - 2014-11-12 13:13:04 UTC
Moved my spreadsheets to a dedicated eve google account, see signature for updated links. Old links will go down in a few days.

Cheers,
Neug
Neugeniko
Insight Securities
#54 - 2014-11-18 07:59:33 UTC
Updated the Indices/Simulator spreadsheet to version 3.00. Now includes a freight simulator to see how efficiently you can move ore, minerals or compressed ore to market.

Cheers,
Neug
Neugeniko
Insight Securities
#55 - 2014-12-03 07:27:58 UTC
Updated several of my sheets.
- The Prime Industrial Real Estate sheet now has ice and L4 agent info.
- The Indices/Mining Simulator now is using a refined asteroid spawn size and has added info for jita station refiners.

Neug
Neugeniko
Insight Securities
#56 - 2015-01-16 20:01:43 UTC
Updated the Indices/Mining Simulator Sheet (See Signature)
- Minor Bug Fixes
- Ability to set a time for scouting out asteroid belts

Cheers,
Neug
Neugeniko
Insight Securities
#57 - 2015-02-01 07:52:52 UTC
Presented a summary and brief analysis of mining profitability over the last 5 months over on reddit. Plenty of
graph porn.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2uds5i/mining_profitability_graph_porn/

Cheers,
Neug
Neugeniko
Insight Securities
#58 - 2015-02-06 13:51:17 UTC
Mining Simulator V3.67. Added the calculation for freighting ore to market then refining at market. For all you nomadic charon pilots.

Cheers,
Neug
Neugeniko
Insight Securities
#59 - 2015-02-06 13:56:26 UTC
Neugeniko
Insight Securities
#60 - 2015-02-16 16:33:12 UTC
Indices Spreadsheet updated. For purposes of calculating indices after hauling I've swapped to using the optimal freighter for the type of cargo. Ore, Minerals, Compressed Ore or Mix optimized by profitability.

Cheers,
Neug
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