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Language Chat Channel Consolidation With Oceanus

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Wiros PotHead
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#261 - 2014-09-29 07:47:54 UTC
Well done CCP!

Spanish is the second most spoken language in the world, but instead of translating the interface, you choose to close the existing channels, the only place where spanish speakers could find some help... Surely this way, the Hispanic community will grow dramatically.

Well done CCP! Amaizng work!

/ironic Roll

“This is war. You never want to fight fair. You want to sneak up behind your enemy and club him over the head.”

– Kara Thrace aka "Starbuck"  

Endo Dy
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#262 - 2014-09-29 09:32:34 UTC
The argument that you as CCP can't support 39 language channels due to the language barrier is totally understandable. Yet as this thread shows all to well is that these channels provide alot of people help and a place they can communicate in their own language.

The obvious problem with deleting these channels and having people create their own channels will be that new players will not find the most used one. Also the creators of said channels will have moderators without "neutral EVE glasses" on if you get my drift.


Why not simply stop officially supporting the language channels yet keep them? Warn people before joining the channel that the content is not moderated by CCP and/or program it in the MOTD of these channels.
Channels remain, CCP not flooded by tickets. Problem solved Question



Desalmada Nolen
Se Morri Foi lag
#263 - 2014-09-29 10:41:38 UTC
Endo Dy wrote:
The argument that you as CCP can't support 39 language channels due to the language barrier is totally understandable. Yet as this thread shows all to well is that these channels provide alot of people help and a place they can communicate in their own language.

The obvious problem with deleting these channels and having people create their own channels will be that new players will not find the most used one. Also the creators of said channels will have moderators without "neutral EVE glasses" on if you get my drift.


Why not simply stop officially supporting the language channels yet keep them? Warn people before joining the channel that the content is not moderated by CCP and/or program it in the MOTD of these channels.
Channels remain, CCP not flooded by tickets. Problem solved Question







Great argument, much better simply to inform the chat is not moderated and continue keeping the chats
Baltic77
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#264 - 2014-09-29 12:25:04 UTC
Endo Dy wrote:
The argument that you as CCP can't support 39 language channels due to the language barrier is totally understandable. Yet as this thread shows all to well is that these channels provide alot of people help and a place they can communicate in their own language.

The obvious problem with deleting these channels and having people create their own channels will be that new players will not find the most used one. Also the creators of said channels will have moderators without "neutral EVE glasses" on if you get my drift.


Why not simply stop officially supporting the language channels yet keep them? Warn people before joining the channel that the content is not moderated by CCP and/or program it in the MOTD of these channels.
Channels remain, CCP not flooded by tickets. Problem solved Question






This.
flakeys
Doomheim
#265 - 2014-09-29 12:26:24 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
Desalmada Nolen wrote:
Endo Dy wrote:
The argument that you as CCP can't support 39 language channels due to the language barrier is totally understandable. Yet as this thread shows all to well is that these channels provide alot of people help and a place they can communicate in their own language.

The obvious problem with deleting these channels and having people create their own channels will be that new players will not find the most used one. Also the creators of said channels will have moderators without "neutral EVE glasses" on if you get my drift.


Why not simply stop officially supporting the language channels yet keep them? Warn people before joining the channel that the content is not moderated by CCP and/or program it in the MOTD of these channels.
Channels remain, CCP not flooded by tickets. Problem solved Question







Great argument, much better simply to inform the chat is not moderated and continue keeping the chats



And the odd thing is I and others with me have sugggested this exact thing in this thread before , so seems a lot of the players can see the easy solution here.And yet , CCP seems this idea is not worthy so decided to just remove it all together.

The question here really is , are you more afraid of new/trial people joining these channels and not accepting the MOTD as a rule that it is not moderated and as such quit the game because of trolling/words OR do you feel that a complete lack of these channels will keep a lot of players from not exteding their trial period.

CCP's cash is on the first one , my cash is on the latter one , newbro's who don't have english as their main language will leave the game a lot easier as it is harder for them to get answers to their questions in their own language.And that's jjust in the channel itself , i think a big amount of players also find their first corporation in these types of channels to keep their learning of eve as a whole mostly in their native language before setting foot out in the eve world .

Anyway that's the last i'll say about it .CCP hasn't repsonded yet after creating this thread and i doubt they even feel the need to as it's only reached page 14 so far.And why should it reach more pages , it will mostly hurt the newbro's.

Who needs fresh blood eh , we can keep this game running on 10 accounts each for many many years to come right .. right ?Well i mean you guys , i allready scaled down from 6 accounts to 1 in the last half year ...

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

lolcorpholder alt
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#266 - 2014-09-29 12:30:34 UTC
There is now less than 12 hours left before the expansion. We, the players, used this time to adapt. Did you, CCP, use any of this WHOLE WEEKS warning time to think about your discussion, to communicate with the playerbase, to answer their questions regardiing the situation?
Desalmada Nolen
Se Morri Foi lag
#267 - 2014-09-29 13:11:52 UTC
It is the only way now is to conform and wait to see how these changes will occur in the game.
Hra Neuvosto
Party Cat Enterprises
#268 - 2014-09-29 13:17:49 UTC
Wherever Hesbu goes, I go.
Darkblad
Doomheim
#269 - 2014-09-29 14:40:47 UTC
Many of you will remember ISD Eshtir who recently resigned from his position as ISD CCL (Forums moderation) Vice Admral.
He also gave a statement on this matter.

NPEISDRIP

Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#270 - 2014-09-29 16:02:05 UTC
Darkblad wrote:
Many of you will remember ISD Eshtir who recently resigned from his position as ISD CCL (Forums moderation) Vice Admral.
He also gave a statement on this matter.

Wheel of Conspiracy, turn turn turn, tell us the logic we should spurn!

(Because clearly the two are connected. Not. >_>)

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Hanazava Karyna
The Foundation Of Mammon
#271 - 2014-09-29 16:11:15 UTC
Oh my, this thread escalated faster than I thought.

Well, it's bad move from CCP that they made such a grave change without even consulting it with players nor CMS.
No information in changelog (as if someone without decent English skill would read changelog anyway...), few days to next expansion that sets everything in stone, no information in soon-to-be deleted channels; everything sounds just pretty sneaky to me.

CCP has, for sure, no resources to deal with monitoring every available language chat channel, most of them are dead anyway.
For moment I though `Damn, it's good change after all; if there is so much trolling on language channels where newbies gather en masse such trolling, bad language and other issues could definitely daunt young players. So deleting is good.`
After reading through every post in this thread I changed my opinion a little.

One of the fastest solution is to divide language channels into two groups, officially moderated and not moderated (or moderated from time to time with some help from google traslate) as Endo Dy said.
I like this one because you can have everything what it is now without hurting anyone and make young users realize, that chats can be dangerous place too.

Furthermore, that legacy chat system needs to be thoroughly revised if not rewritten from the scratch. Looking for chats and joining makes eyes bleed. But not only UI side, having this issue we can modify core of this mechanism. Chats could have "unofficiall" moderators who could moderate in their free time. Of course it could bring some issues like banning without good reason etc. but when detected such moderator could face serious responsibility for his wrongdoings. Such moderator could use his command to publicly warn user, to mute him, kick him or even ban for interval of time. We need better (inline) reporting system, sending report for things like spam / racism / illegal content / other things stated in EULA. Report with context, of course, context and addictionally dozen of previous entries of this user. Reporting should take into account not only negative status of reported characted but whole user account (no pun intended).

For trolling, personally I don't know what to do. Every person can troll. Trolling is an essence of the Internet. You can't trust random post or `fact` you're able to read. Everyone can troll some newbie in unmoderated channel, everyone can pretend to be this newbie as well. It's the same issue as in engineering. If you try to create more idiot-proof solution, the universe will create better idiots. Being an idiot, unfortunately, doesn't break the law. Internet doesn't have nor age nor common sense restrictions. We can only wait for them to get smarter or let the Internet darwinism work.

Well, this post is longer than I thought it would be, but yeah, overall CCP, you've made a mistake. Please, take your time and don't rush every change into TQ.

PS
Praetar wrote:
CCP, you receive a bunch of tickets and you decide to close historic language channels that hundreds of people use to avoid the problem.

Let the games begin...

I beg you foreign players of EVE Online to join these Faction and Technology channels after the release of Oceanus to continue your activities in your faction or technic language:

(...)

Caldari - Polish

Poles are definitely Amarr-like, I can ensure Big smile
Hanazava Karyna
The Foundation Of Mammon
#272 - 2014-09-29 16:15:45 UTC
Nevermind, now I see that CCP is busy with making dev blogs about clipboard Smile
Katrina Bekers
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#273 - 2014-09-29 19:41:40 UTC
You guys never learn, huh? Summer of Rage *really* didn't teach you anything about arrogance and not listening to players?

Ok, you want to curbstomp noobs not speaking your 5 supported languages, who desperately look for a place to start? As you desire, my master.

My only doubt: why you feel this need to always be the worst obstacle for EVE to flourish?

<< THE RABBLE BRIGADE >>

Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#274 - 2014-09-29 22:00:18 UTC
Caroline Grace sent me over here.

All caught up and yeah, I am gonna go ask some questions.

A LOT of your suggestions seem reasonable. From the simple redirects before it closes down to not closing it down at all but modifying the MOTD

If I get news, have news I am allowed to tell you I will be back.

btw, I liked the basque quote, even if I did have to use google translate.

m

Mike Azariah  ┬──┬ ¯|(ツ)

Indahmawar Fazmarai
#275 - 2014-09-29 22:11:13 UTC
>Tinfoil hat mode on>

If financials were going bad, CCP could focus on improving revenue. As the game in its current state is poorly attractive to noobs when compared to newer titles, improving the game for noobs is not likely to improve revenue as much as compared to other stuff that may call back bittervets.

Thus CCP is killing the future growth to pay the present debts... a move that 10% of the times is bold and predates resurreciton, and 90% of time is just the prelude to death by ennui.

>Tinfoil hat mode off>

We veterans will set up our channels if we want to. But since September 30 of 2014, new players who don't speak a supported language can pretty much go to hell if they need help.
Morihei Akachi
Doomheim
#276 - 2014-09-29 22:16:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Morihei Akachi
Mike Azariah wrote:
Caroline Grace sent me over here.

All caught up and yeah, I am gonna go ask some questions.

A LOT of your suggestions seem reasonable. From the simple redirects before it closes down to not closing it down at all but modifying the MOTD

If I get news, have news I am allowed to tell you I will be back.

btw, I liked the basque quote, even if I did have to use google translate.

m

Mike: thanks. With fewer than 13 hours to go, you're later to the party than I would have wished. But props to you for showing. Grateful for anything you can find out at this stage.

"Enduring", "restrained" and "ample" as designations for starship components are foreign to the genre of high-tech science fiction and don’t belong in Eve Online. (And as for “scoped” …)

Darkblad
Doomheim
#277 - 2014-09-29 22:51:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Darkblad
Mike Azariah wrote:
Caroline Grace sent me over here.

All caught up and yeah, I am gonna go ask some questions.

A LOT of your suggestions seem reasonable. From the simple redirects before it closes down to not closing it down at all but modifying the MOTD

If I get news, have news I am allowed to tell you I will be back.

btw, I liked the basque quote, even if I did have to use google translate.

m
Thanks a lot!

Regarding notifications within the channels:

English: None at all
French: None at all
German: GM Bigglesworth replaced the motd at around 18:15 with a link to the translation of the OP
Japanese: motd not updated (if google translate is right)
Russian: Link to the translation of the OP by CCP Leeloo
Chinese: motd not updated (google translate again)

Other Channels (didn't check all): None at all

NPEISDRIP

Morihei Akachi
Doomheim
#278 - 2014-09-30 03:10:59 UTC
https://twitter.com/funkybacon/status/516777355449491457

"Enduring", "restrained" and "ample" as designations for starship components are foreign to the genre of high-tech science fiction and don’t belong in Eve Online. (And as for “scoped” …)

lolcorpholder alt
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#279 - 2014-09-30 04:23:43 UTC
CCP! During the fanfest, you said the new release schedule allows you to postpone updates. The time to use it is now! Listen to the CSM, the group YOU set up, before you make a huge mistake. This of course needs time. WE have "coped" with these trolls for 5+ years, SURELY we can manage 6 more weeks
Gaius Clabbacus
Control Alt Delve
Goonswarm Federation
#280 - 2014-09-30 06:30:30 UTC
Endo Dy wrote:
The argument that you as CCP can't support 39 language channels due to the language barrier is totally understandable. Yet as this thread shows all to well is that these channels provide alot of people help and a place they can communicate in their own language.

The obvious problem with deleting these channels and having people create their own channels will be that new players will not find the most used one. Also the creators of said channels will have moderators without "neutral EVE glasses" on if you get my drift.


Why not simply stop officially supporting the language channels yet keep them? Warn people before joining the channel that the content is not moderated by CCP and/or program it in the MOTD of these channels.
Channels remain, CCP not flooded by tickets. Problem solved Question


This. And to reduce the link spam in the language channels make it so that people can only subscribe or post in one channel with a 30 minute timer. (May also hurt some legitimate players.)