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[Oceanus] Burner Missions - Round 2

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Jori McKie
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2014-09-28 09:21:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Jori McKie
Weird things going on....
All Burner except the Jaguar warp in at 40km, i guess to make kiting viable. Short Version, forget any LML Garmur or Hawk setups either DPS is too low or sig too big. Long range Rocket, Rail and Pulse+Scorch setups work on the Vengeance, Hawk and the Enyo is again the odd one out, the Enyo Logis just seems to have taken drugs.
The LML setups were obviously MWD all other has to be AB. AB setups aren't that difficult thanks to the stats from jackudza, make sure your AB speed is higher than the Burner you are fighting, set keep at range for your highest DPS, adjust your speed manually to match the Burner speed to avoid fubars.
This kind of AB kiting is like set everything up, go afk, come back 5mins later....

Edit:
Make sure your optimal DPS is at least 20km, better something in the range of 26km for Rail and Pulse+Scorch, because of tracking etc. Rocket setups are ok with about 22km range as you burn away and the NPC following you.

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Skyler Hawk
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#42 - 2014-09-28 09:38:52 UTC
I'll try this later on but I very strongly suspect that having all of the NPCs start at 40 km is going to make these far too easy:

[Harpy, top lel]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Cap Recharger II
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]

150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
[empty high slot]
150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S

Small Hybrid Locus Coordinator II
Small Hybrid Locus Coordinator II

keep at range 30 km, switch on guns...
Jori McKie
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2014-09-28 09:46:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Jori McKie
Try this
Quote:
[Harpy, Burner Kite]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

1MN Afterburner II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
[empty med slot]

150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
[empty high slot]
150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S

Small Hybrid Locus Coordinator II
Small Hybrid Locus Coordinator II


Works vs any Burner except the Jaguar, AB speed is 835 m/s, with an A-Type 924 m/s. Works best of course vs Vengeance and Enyo, Hawk is easiest to kill with a Retribution.

Quote:
[Retribution, Burner Kite]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Tracking Enhancer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

1MN Afterburner II
[empty med slot]

Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
[empty high slot]
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S

Small Energy Locus Coordinator II
Small Energy Locus Coordinator II


AB speed is 956 m/s.

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jackudza
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2014-09-28 11:37:08 UTC  |  Edited by: jackudza
Skyler Hawk wrote:
I'll try this later on but I very strongly suspect that having all of the NPCs start at 40 km is going to make these far too easy:
...
keep at range 30 km, switch on guns...


Tried already but with 2 target painters + burst aerator. Burnes became easier for kiting fits but harder for dps fits. As a result killing time increased from ~2:45 to more than 5 minutes. Sad. For example previously I was able to kill Enyo Burner with close range high dps T2 fitted Wolf and now it is not so simple. Vengeance Burner was killed the same way. Do not want to loose time to kill all logistics with low dps long range weapons.
CCP Fozzie please revert the changes back. It should be a trap with axe fight and not booooring no-brain-keep-at-range kiting.
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#45 - 2014-09-28 20:59:07 UTC
I have to say, I only tried the hawk one, but I enjoyed them much much much more than the first round of burner missions.

The NPCs seem to cheat much less, because their power is divided in three, and I feel like the fight taking more time let you enjoy more the strategic side of it.

It still feels "wrong" though to put these missions into the lv4 common pool, because, again, what they require is far from being what the rest of lv4 require.

Thus I'm still in favor of finding a way to put these missions on specific agents or something like that. And again, if its the fear that player might "exploit" these missions to get better rewards... Then the problem comes from their reward balancing, not the players. Big smile

But the sheer fact of having this round 2 take more time to run than the round 1, should probably ease the concerns and maybe make the fact of having them on a separate pool a viable idea.

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Clark Ostus
GOB Holdings
#46 - 2014-09-30 12:29:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Clark Ostus
Is it correct that only the combat ship has a bounty? or should the logi frigs have a small bounty aswell ?

Noticed the combat ships have started dropping loot :p
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