EVE New Citizens Q&A

I'm a newish player (About 6 months or so) who read the piece about security status in EVElopedia and as this is a New citizen Q&A thread, I will stick to clarifying a few points by asking questions.

When you take on a mission from an agent it usually consists of entering a mission room via an acceleration gate and confronting various enemy space ships that belong to the big red cross on my screen faction.

So I was wondering if these NPC ships are following the same rules as everyone else ?

For instance some ships will not fire at you until you fire at them, this would be a similar situation to a player with a -5 security status because if they fire at you first they get Concorded.

Pirate Factions might automatically have a low security status but not all missions are against pirates.

Faction Navy Ship cannot get Concorded so most of this is adding up.

Concord has no concern for mortals (npc's), they are very simply a punative(important word that.), omnipotent organization concerned with enforcing a cost upon capsulier aggression within empire territory.
That's all they do.

First things first:

Station guns =/= CONCORD
Faction Navy =/= CONCORD (You can outrun and are allowed to outrun Faction Navy whereas doing it to CONCORD (Nearly ompossible) is an exploit and then the CONCORD boss (aka CCP) will punish you).
Custom officers =/= CONCORD.


Basically anything that doesnt say CONCORD isnt concord. Shooting an NPC hauler will not spawn CONCORD (CONCORD only responds to player vs player violence) but it will make gate/station guns and faction policd shoot you. You will also suffer a faction standing hit from doing so.

Nope. They are military.

The aggression rules only apply between players.

NPCs pretty much follow their own set of rules.


Okay... you are mixing everything up.

There are 3 NPC "police" forces and Stargate/Station guns...

- CONCORD: they will only attack you if you meet one or more of the following conditions...
------------------- you shoot THEM or "illegally" attack another PLAYER
------------------- you have a "criminal status" timer.
NOTE: If these ships attack you, you cannot kill/evade them... doing so is considered an exploit and will result in a ban.

- Faction Police: they will only attack you if you meet one or more the following conditions...
------------------- your security status is below -5.0
------------------- your faction status (for the local empire) is below -5.0
------------------- you shoot THEM or "illegally" attack another PLAYER
------------------- you shoot an NPC "convoy" or "trade ship" (not pirate)
------------------- you have a "criminal status" timer.

- Faction Navy: they will only attack you if you meet one or more the following conditions...
------------------- you are in Faction Warfare and are hostile to the local empire
------------------- you shoot THEM

- Gate/Station Guns: they will only attack you if you meet one or more the following conditions...
------------------- you shoot THEM or "illegally" attack another PLAYER


All other NPCs that do not fall into the previous categories will either be "shoot first ask questions later" or "won't shoot first" mentalities. Either way... you can shoot at them with impunity.



Correct. Being in Faction Warfare is no different than being at war (with NPC back-up in one's high-sec space).
All security mechanics still apply.

You can check their corporation/alliance tab to see if they are in Faction Warfare and then "flag" the whole organization. Outside of this, there is no ID marker for FW people to people outside of FW.


Old mechanic. It's called "can flipping."

It was changed so that now a person who steals from a container becomes flagged to everyone in space... not just to a single corporation.

No... the Navy does not care about standings (at least... that has been my experience).


Being in a corp will only affect you if the whole corp is involved in something (see: war declaration or Faction Warfare).

Fleets do not affect anything besides fleet based bonuses and who you can warp to.


All other mechanics apply as they normally do per the individual.

Some examples:

- you are in a corporation/fleet with someone. They have bad security status and have just attacked another player in high-sec... resulting in CONCORD blowing up their ship. You will not be affected by this in any way, shape, or form.

- you are in a corporation/fleet with someone.. You have very high faction standings and the other person has very bad faction standings.
When that person tries to enter high security space the Faction Police tries to kill him/her. However, when you enter that high-sec space nothing will happen. Even if you both enter at the same time.


There is an exception to this: using remote assistance modules. Using things like Remote Repairs on a person who has "problems" (bad sec-status or faction standings) as they are experiencing the penalties will result in you gaining a timer and inheriting the "problems" for the duration of the timer.


Modifying the example from above:

You are in a corporation/fleet with someone.. You have very high faction standings and the other person has very bad faction standings.
When that person tries to enter high security space the Faction Police tries to kill him/her. However, when you enter that high-sec space nothing will happen. You try to save that corp/fleet mate using a remote repair module... making you an enemy of the Faction Police until the timer expires (which it won't until you stop repping and hide for a few minutes).

All the the NPC forces I listed above are considered "military"... CONCORD, Faction Police, Faction Navy.

Understand that "military" is a bit of a misnomer in this game as pretty much everything is considered as such (i.e. there are few, if any, actual "civilians" in this game)... even industrial and mining ships are forces/aides of war in some fashion.


But as far as I know, it is only the Faction Police that are concerned about faction standing. Faction Navy are the forces specifically rallied against "enemy" Faction Warfare players.


edit: one last thing... read the mission briefings. If you encounter NPCs belonging to a specific empire faction in a mission and have fulfilled none of the above conditions I listed in my previous post then those NPCs are no different from your average pirate NPC... except that they give no bounty and exact a fairly nasty standings hit when you kill them (which only becomes a problem over time as your faction standings drop).

Well crimewatch says you get a suspect flag for container stealing but that bit about corp aggression was copied and pasted from here FW

I guess the suspect flag does make that corp rule redundant

But Anyway, show info is for people who are going to spend more than a second deciding if they are going to shoot. Target might be gone by the time you've done that.

Really. You base your assumptions on a WIKI.

Rule 1 - take wiki info with grain of salt. 99,9% of the EVE wiki is horribly outdated.



It doesnt mean jack **** if they are or arent in FW if you arent, to you they are just neutral target.

It only matters ifnyou are in FW, in which case you have an overview flag.

Your problem is a non existing one and thus require no fixing.

You in FW - FW targets are flagged.
You not in FW - Any random guy is neutral pilot, FW or not