Wormholes

lol wondered if someone would reply with something like that, not sure if there would be enough distinction to make it worth doing but I'd be more tempted to role a couple of alts for a frig limited sub-set of w-space than to join up with FW though :S

I think you guys are forgetting one main important thing.

People.

I mean I could list at least a dozen great other groups/leaders/content creators who simply aren't around or have moved on.

Sure, there are up and coming groups within WH space who have filled a couple of the voids as of late but when you have so many people leaving the game (and or WH space) it still leave a big gap.

I think that it's happening not just within WH space, but Eve in general and unfortunately I don't really have a solution to that problem

I had an idea what gentrification meant, then I Googled it and read the first half. Thread was born. Was drunk when posted. My corp can confirm. Could probably get confirms from others, too, as I was very chatty and posting pics of my ale and chalice.

At first I wanted to call this bullshit, but numbers haven't been as low as now since 2008, and there were probably less alts back then.

http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility


Also, solution for low population might be a sov reset to shake things up in null, that's why the focus is on null, atm. Inb4 eve goes f2p but you need to buy CCashPoints to pour directly into skills. 10000$? Instant 120M SP character!

It's the same terrible cancer, the location isn't going to make it any better.

Back off topic, how was it? I have a bottle of that sitting in my fridge.

I drank two. It was delicious.

I used to live the the WH the corp I'm in owned. I moved out. Why? lack of content. We're in a C2 (small corp) and 1 motivated pilot can keep the system completely clean of sigs to run (other than ore, that usually takes 2 pilots). The rest of the time you have to go to lowsec or nullsec to find any type of content and well, it just wasn't worth it for me.

This keeps the corp from being able to get more pilots out there because that same 1 or 2 motivated pilots can clean out the close LS systems or our neighboring WH and everyone else is left standing around with their thumbs up their butts.

Since we can't get more people out to the WH because of lack of content we can't move up to a higher WH with escalations or more group oriented PvE/PvP.

C1's need to be able to support 1-5 active pilots, C2's 6-12 active pilots and right now they just can't. A C1 isn't worth jumping into for anything other than PI and a C2 can only keep 1 pilot active.

Probably the worst and best thing we ever did was organize wormhole groups. It's twofold, as it proves the successful and determined effort and capability of the playerbase, but at the same time, there are channels, third-party services, diplomats, "blues", loose coalitions (more like groups that will work together at a whim), forums, help threads, and all the other nonsense that comes along with organizing a variety of random groups, which destroys the mystery of the frontier.

The friendships exist now, so saying "get rid of it all, close the channels, kill the mappers, and nuke standings from high orbit" will likely be ignored, even if players made an active effort to agree to a plan. That alone would require organization and "rules".

Hyperion didn't create the problems that have caused the increasing (relative) boredom (for some) in wormholes, and that boredom isn't across the board. Some groups still get fights/fun, and some don't. Many of the players who find wormholes dead/dying are the ones that don't have any "mystery" or fun left to have in the current iteration. For guys like Fremen, the fun is in the friends and enjoying the game with those friends, shooting targets when available and being a leader in a community. This is where I was for a long time, since wormholes lost the fun that drew me to them years ago, "the unknown".

The only fix is for newer players without the experience and knowledge to rise and enjoy the mysteries and fun, until they reach that sacred place where there is none left to experience, then their continuation and/or enjoyment in wormholes/Eve will depend on the friends they have and the fun that they can make from wherever they are when things become known.

tl;dr - The sandbox is only as fun as the people you play with, and that determines how long the fun lasts before it becomes boring.

If you limit your definition of "content" to PVE sites and refuse (apparently) to look for that same kind of "content" in the wh connections adjacent to you then yes. It's entirely possible for a very small number of active pilots to deplete all of that "content" in the home system. You imply that this is a low class wh issue but the reality is that it is entirely possible for the same low number of pilots to deplete PVE sites in any class of wh system. If you're using a wh for nothing other than ISK generation via sleeper sites but fail to run those in your static and then roll/repeat you're missing the true income potential in wspace c4 and below. the ISK is literally in the static.

With that said, if you're trying to get new people to move to "any part of EVE" for the PVE content alone then you are really doing them a disservice as EVE's PVE is the absolute worst out of any MMO that I can think of...ever (potential exceptions are the new burner missions).

The "content" that most ppl here are looking for is of the "I shoot you, you shoot me and x number of explosions occur" variety. That is the missing part of wspace in EVE and has been on the decline for quite some time. Having had numerous conversations with Civilwars (and others) about this very thing we've agreed (basically) that there's not really anything that we, the players, can do as a group to effect a change. Human nature tends to look for groupings that are beneficial to the members of said groupings. That means that groups will tend to always gain more pilots rather than actively shed pilots (unless the leadership has a strict idea on active numbers caps and engagement profiles).

In essence;
1. If there are no penalties to large corp/alliance sizes then there will be very few groups that willingly choose to remain small.
2. If there are no compelling reasons to do battle with a neighbor (such that have an effect on their home/membership/income), there will be a low frequency of battle.
3. If there are no game reasons to move into wspace (engaging new CCP content, higher realized income potential, specialized equipment/items/etc) then the number of pilots willing to move in will remain low.

Some of these, CCP might be able to look into. Some of these are related to human nature and the general desire of status quo that many people desire as well as varying degrees of risk taking/aversion. In my mind, #s 2 and 3 are the most pertinent, but also the most difficult to address.

Wspace is still my favorite type of space. However, at this point I'm pretty certain that it's my favorite type due to nostalgia and not because there are more fun things/people to do/shoot.

Until some of those things change, this will likely be the status quo for wspace.