These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Player Features and Ideas Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

[Oceanus] Interceptor Updates

First post First post
Author
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
#121 - 2014-09-18 16:34:44 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Promiscuous Female wrote:
John Bloodryder wrote:
Well CCP has tried to fix something again, and again it screws me over..... looks like i have to train another racial frig to 5. Making the raptor slower really irks me. Now caldari interceptors are kind of useless in 0.0.
THANKS CCP

the crow is retaining its 60km light missiles and thanks to the addition of a fourth launcher is not experiencing a significant loss of DPS with the removal of its kinetic misl bonus

so I think you're probably fine

Try fitting that fourth hardpoint with a LML without an increase in grid. These changes will kill LML crows because they will need a fitting mod just to fit a full rack of launchers, an MWD, and a point. Basically, they're turning the Crow into a rocket 'ceptor without being obvious about it.

if only there was a mod that added a huge amount of grid to a frigate, outsized compared to its existing power grid

it'd be some sort of power core

since it's not the normal core it'd have to be an auxiliary core

and since it goes on a frigate I guess it'd have to be pretty small, like micro sized compared to other power cores
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#122 - 2014-09-18 16:38:33 UTC
I don't see the point of the Raptor balance, imo it's still inferior to the Taranis and it even got nerfed in terms of versatility by removing the utility slot (you know, the one for the prober/cloak Blink). I hope at least my taxi-fit still works Ugh

I'm my own NPC alt.

Feyrin
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#123 - 2014-09-18 16:38:53 UTC
Just wow at this thread so far. The level of rage and entitlement on display are amazing. Let get this in perspective. Your LML complainers, its a 6% RoF reduction. Its a very small change. Grow up. LML project further with similar dps and better application than the other LR small weapons this isnt going to change that. To your crow whiners the changes mean you cant have range tank and speed all at the same time without compromising dps. This is balance, this is choices with meaning.

Please also remember that the module dev post isnt out yet and some of the mods being balanced like micro aux power cores are key on these ships until you have the full picture commenting further is premature.
Martek Renalard
hirr
Pandemic Horde
#124 - 2014-09-18 16:39:25 UTC
Just remove ranged dps from all interceptors.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#125 - 2014-09-18 16:41:04 UTC
Push back implementation until Phoebe.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
#126 - 2014-09-18 16:42:08 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Push back implementation until Phoebe.

why, this doesn't solve anything
Ravcharas
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#127 - 2014-09-18 16:43:32 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Push back implementation until Phoebe.

Please, show some respect. It's Princess Consuela Bananahammock.
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#128 - 2014-09-18 16:46:35 UTC
we could rather do with that missile rebalance/ adding missile mods ..

- light missiles range is too good needs a nerf
- HAMS range is too good needs a nerf
- rockets range is too good needs a nerf
- cruise missiles range is too good needs a nerf

but application could be better on HAMS/ rockets/torpedoes or maybe slight damage buff

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using

Phaade
LowKey Ops
Shadow Cartel
#129 - 2014-09-18 16:47:52 UTC
Kuhal wrote:
Have to say that I'm not a big fan of an overall nerf to LML.

This hurts far more ships than just the Crow. The Talwar, Corax, Hawk, and Hookbill are all going to take a hit on this and none of them are considered too powerful; while the LML weapon system was strong it wasn't game-breaking. This is really just another slap in the face to anyone with SP in missiles.

This game is becoming Drones Online faster and faster.


Yup!

Drones are already a disgusting weapon system, and here goes CCP smashing missiles with a nerfbat again.

Meanwhile, the Ishtar hordes are still running rampant across Eve.

Calling CCP inept is putting it very nicely.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#130 - 2014-09-18 16:48:28 UTC
Promiscuous Female wrote:
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Promiscuous Female wrote:
John Bloodryder wrote:
Well CCP has tried to fix something again, and again it screws me over..... looks like i have to train another racial frig to 5. Making the raptor slower really irks me. Now caldari interceptors are kind of useless in 0.0.
THANKS CCP

the crow is retaining its 60km light missiles and thanks to the addition of a fourth launcher is not experiencing a significant loss of DPS with the removal of its kinetic misl bonus

so I think you're probably fine

Try fitting that fourth hardpoint with a LML without an increase in grid. These changes will kill LML crows because they will need a fitting mod just to fit a full rack of launchers, an MWD, and a point. Basically, they're turning the Crow into a rocket 'ceptor without being obvious about it.

if only there was a mod that added a huge amount of grid to a frigate, outsized compared to its existing power grid

it'd be some sort of power core

since it's not the normal core it'd have to be an auxiliary core

and since it goes on a frigate I guess it'd have to be pretty small, like micro sized compared to other power cores

Yes, and with that MAPC eating up half of your two available low slots just to mount a full rack of launchers, good luck achieving enough mobility to be remotely effective as a fast tackler. And with that full rack of launchers now having no damage bonus (-50% damage), and a 6% reduced RoF, good luck getting anything close to the kind of damage output you had before even with an extra launcher.

If only you had enough low slots to fit an MAPC, a speed mod, and a damage mod....

Or, you could suck it up, fit rockets, and take advantage of the application bonus to murder drones that get sent after you while you tackle something from 28-30km while going fast enough to actually function. But hey, your call.

Relatively Notorious By Association

My Many Misadventures

I predicted FAUXs

Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
#131 - 2014-09-18 16:50:27 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Promiscuous Female wrote:

if only there was a mod that added a huge amount of grid to a frigate, outsized compared to its existing power grid

it'd be some sort of power core

since it's not the normal core it'd have to be an auxiliary core

and since it goes on a frigate I guess it'd have to be pretty small, like micro sized compared to other power cores

Yes, and with that MAPC eating up half of your two available low slots just to mount a full rack of launchers, good luck achieving enough mobility to be remotely effective as a fast tackler. And with that full rack of launchers now having no damage bonus (-50% damage), and a 6% reduced RoF, good luck getting anything close to the kind of damage output you had before even with an extra launcher.

If only you had enough low slots to fit an MAPC, a speed mod, and a damage mod....

Or, you could suck it up, fit rockets, and take advantage of the application bonus to murder drones that get sent after you while you tackle something from 28-30km while going fast enough to actually function. But hey, your call.

rigs

also, maybe the point is that the crow isn't supposed to have both uncatchable align and decent damage at the same time?? gee willikers
Nick Starkey
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#132 - 2014-09-18 16:51:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Nick Starkey
Why don't you just give Crows and Maledictions the same minus 30-50% flight time -treatment- as Mordus legion ships instead? Bam, range problems fixed and the ships still maintain the ability to do actual damage, just with an added risk to it. Crows were never bottlenecked by explosion radius at all and Maledictons aren't made for brawling. Overnerfing things and adding random and useless bonuses to the hulls aren't going to balance anything.

In the end people are just going to ignore those bonuses and still use LMLs because the core issues are not fixed. The fact you have to compensate with those pointless bonuses and nerf an entire weapon system shows this balancing approach is inconsistent and ineffective.

I've made a signature. I hope you're enjoying it. www.evetrademaster.com - web based asset manager & profit tracker

Goldensaver
Maraque Enterprises
Just let it happen
#133 - 2014-09-18 16:52:41 UTC
Promiscuous Female wrote:
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Promiscuous Female wrote:
John Bloodryder wrote:
Well CCP has tried to fix something again, and again it screws me over..... looks like i have to train another racial frig to 5. Making the raptor slower really irks me. Now caldari interceptors are kind of useless in 0.0.
THANKS CCP

the crow is retaining its 60km light missiles and thanks to the addition of a fourth launcher is not experiencing a significant loss of DPS with the removal of its kinetic misl bonus

so I think you're probably fine

Try fitting that fourth hardpoint with a LML without an increase in grid. These changes will kill LML crows because they will need a fitting mod just to fit a full rack of launchers, an MWD, and a point. Basically, they're turning the Crow into a rocket 'ceptor without being obvious about it.

if only there was a mod that added a huge amount of grid to a frigate, outsized compared to its existing power grid

it'd be some sort of power core

since it's not the normal core it'd have to be an auxiliary core

and since it goes on a frigate I guess it'd have to be pretty small, like micro sized compared to other power cores

Now, I'm not heartbroken because the Crow was actually broken. But in fairness to this, I was already running an MAPC on my Crows and the grid was a tight fit. Trying to cram in an extra launcher without a PG buff is going to be impossible. This is not even mentioning the loss of the low slot and the effect that's going to have.

Still, it'll be nice to see other 'Ceptors and ships. Now if only we could see something like this for the Ishtar.
Kuhal
The Envoys
#134 - 2014-09-18 16:58:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Kuhal
Feyrin wrote:
Let get this in perspective. Your LML complainers, its a 6% RoF reduction. Its a very small change.



That's at least a 6% damage nerf to an entire weapon system. That isn't a tiny change. If sentry drones saw a 6% damage hit, such as on rate of fire, you would see people screaming from rooftops before hurling themselves off. A change to an entire weapon system is always a big consideration.

LML aren't broken on things like the Talwar and Corax which already are overshadowed by other destroyers like the Algos (drones), Catalyst (hybrid), and Thrasher (projectile).

Waiting for the entire perspective is probably a good idea, but it's doubtful any of it will change that this is a substantial nerf to a weapon system enjoyed by many non-OP ships.
Phaade
LowKey Ops
Shadow Cartel
#135 - 2014-09-18 16:59:37 UTC
Promiscuous Female wrote:
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Promiscuous Female wrote:
John Bloodryder wrote:
Well CCP has tried to fix something again, and again it screws me over..... looks like i have to train another racial frig to 5. Making the raptor slower really irks me. Now caldari interceptors are kind of useless in 0.0.
THANKS CCP

the crow is retaining its 60km light missiles and thanks to the addition of a fourth launcher is not experiencing a significant loss of DPS with the removal of its kinetic misl bonus

so I think you're probably fine

Try fitting that fourth hardpoint with a LML without an increase in grid. These changes will kill LML crows because they will need a fitting mod just to fit a full rack of launchers, an MWD, and a point. Basically, they're turning the Crow into a rocket 'ceptor without being obvious about it.

if only there was a mod that added a huge amount of grid to a frigate, outsized compared to its existing power grid

it'd be some sort of power core

since it's not the normal core it'd have to be an auxiliary core

and since it goes on a frigate I guess it'd have to be pretty small, like micro sized compared to other power cores



You already have to do that to get 3 launchers and an MSE on there....

Do you actually fly the Crow, or just needlessly attack those with valid points?

Educate yourself, woman.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#136 - 2014-09-18 17:00:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Bronson Hughes
Promiscuous Female wrote:
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Promiscuous Female wrote:

if only there was a mod that added a huge amount of grid to a frigate, outsized compared to its existing power grid

it'd be some sort of power core

since it's not the normal core it'd have to be an auxiliary core

and since it goes on a frigate I guess it'd have to be pretty small, like micro sized compared to other power cores

Yes, and with that MAPC eating up half of your two available low slots just to mount a full rack of launchers, good luck achieving enough mobility to be remotely effective as a fast tackler. And with that full rack of launchers now having no damage bonus (-50% damage), and a 6% reduced RoF, good luck getting anything close to the kind of damage output you had before even with an extra launcher.

If only you had enough low slots to fit an MAPC, a speed mod, and a damage mod....

Or, you could suck it up, fit rockets, and take advantage of the application bonus to murder drones that get sent after you while you tackle something from 28-30km while going fast enough to actually function. But hey, your call.

rigs

also, maybe the point is that the crow isn't supposed to have both uncatchable align and decent damage at the same time?? gee willikers

This is actually my point precisely. The Crow won't be able to do everything anymore, and I think this is a very good thing. This is why I'm saying that the new Crow will function best with rockets instead of LMLs because it is better served with mobility than DPS. With enough mids to fit a web and a bonus to explosion radius, a new Crow fit with rockets will make a fabulous drone killer in addition to a good fleet tackler.

People have been complaining in this thread about Drones Online when CCP just handed us a fabulous tool to fight them.

Adapt people. Adapt.

Relatively Notorious By Association

My Many Misadventures

I predicted FAUXs

Phaade
LowKey Ops
Shadow Cartel
#137 - 2014-09-18 17:00:30 UTC
Feyrin wrote:
Just wow at this thread so far. The level of rage and entitlement on display are amazing. Let get this in perspective. Your LML complainers, its a 6% RoF reduction. Its a very small change. Grow up. LML project further with similar dps and better application than the other LR small weapons this isnt going to change that. To your crow whiners the changes mean you cant have range tank and speed all at the same time without compromising dps. This is balance, this is choices with meaning.

Please also remember that the module dev post isnt out yet and some of the mods being balanced like micro aux power cores are key on these ships until you have the full picture commenting further is premature.


Please tell me where the Isthar compromises.

Oh you can't?

Funny.
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
#138 - 2014-09-18 17:09:51 UTC
Phaade wrote:
You already have to do that to get 3 launchers and an MSE on there....

Do you actually fly the Crow, or just needlessly attack those with valid points?

Educate yourself, woman.

now you may have to compromise a bit to get everything you want

just like every other non-LML interceptor
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
#139 - 2014-09-18 17:31:12 UTC
here, a buddy of mine got me an updated EFT for these changes so I went ahead and made some fits so y'all can see the difference

http://imgur.com/a/4wi8k

LML, MSE, point, EM ward amp, grid stuff, and filled out the rest with align

you lose 0.4s align and 14 dps going to oceanus

horror of horrors
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#140 - 2014-09-18 17:32:20 UTC
Phaade wrote:
Feyrin wrote:
Just wow at this thread so far. The level of rage and entitlement on display are amazing. Let get this in perspective. Your LML complainers, its a 6% RoF reduction. Its a very small change. Grow up. LML project further with similar dps and better application than the other LR small weapons this isnt going to change that. To your crow whiners the changes mean you cant have range tank and speed all at the same time without compromising dps. This is balance, this is choices with meaning.

Please also remember that the module dev post isnt out yet and some of the mods being balanced like micro aux power cores are key on these ships until you have the full picture commenting further is premature.


Please tell me where the Isthar compromises.

Oh you can't?

Funny.

i think the only person who doesn't agree the ishtar needs some heavier nerfing asap is rise