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Catalyst needing a Nerf to bring it in line with other destroyers ?

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Dia'Sarbator
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-09-17 19:49:10 UTC
I was playing around with this on EFT .... The catalyst destroyer is 300 dps higher than any of the other destroyers in eve.... Which is ironic for the fact that it is almost double the dps of the lower dps Destroyers.

Shouldn't the catalyst be brought in line with the other Destroyers ?
Amonios Zula
Aeon Ascendant
#2 - 2014-09-17 20:27:22 UTC
Other destroyers can reach for miles (with their respective short range weapons) where as the catlyst has like a 3 inch range.
quite a sacrifice for damage when your ship is constructed from bearly reinforced cardboard.
Cetaphil Thrace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-09-17 20:29:59 UTC
I agree with Amonios, it has no range compared to the others.
Dia'Sarbator
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-09-17 20:34:49 UTC
It has the same range as the convetor (sp?) they have identical bonuses.... yet the Catalyst can reach 750 dps and the convetor which has 7 turrets and 1 launcher reaches only 450.

So Range is really boiling down to your choice of gun / ammo...

The real problem i see with the Catalyst is the fact that it has 3 lows and 8 turret hard points... Loose 1 turret hard point like the rest of all the t1 destroyers and the catalyst still is the highest dps destroyer but is more inline with the rest of the destroyers...
Tash'k Omar
Indefinite Mass
#5 - 2014-09-17 21:40:38 UTC
I think the fact that the catalyst has such high DPS is balanced by the fact that every time I activate my guns Concord comes and blows me up.
Battle BV Master
Bacon Never Dies
#6 - 2014-09-17 22:13:07 UTC
Its Blasters, great DPS, no range.

And in the case of the Cata, well most Glass Cannons no tank.

I do not fear a Cata at all compared to most dessies. Cata can only do one thing so its easy to counter and kill.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#7 - 2014-09-17 22:59:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Dia'Sarbator wrote:
It has the same range as the convetor (sp?) they have identical bonuses.... yet the Catalyst can reach 750 dps and the convetor which has 7 turrets and 1 launcher reaches only 450.
A Catalyst with that sort of DPS is a one trick pony, it's absolutely useless for anything other than making pretty explosions out of miners and haulers and then dying to Concord.
It requires a mostly T2 specialised fit, implants and maxxed out skills, has to literally be in the other persons face, and has to sacrifice any semblance of a tank and mobility to achieve it.

Going by your 7 turrets and 1 launcher description I presume the convetor is actually the Cormorant?

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So Range is really boiling down to your choice of gun / ammo...

The real problem i see with the Catalyst is the fact that it has 3 lows and 8 turret hard points... Loose 1 turret hard point like the rest of all the t1 destroyers and the catalyst still is the highest dps destroyer but is more inline with the rest of the destroyers...
You need to look again, there are 2 T1 destroyers with 8 turret slots.

The Coercer shares the same slot layout as the Catalyst, and like the Catalyst can fit 8 turrets. The Thrasher shares the same slot layout as the Cormorant, and like the Cormorant can fit 7 turrets and a missile launcher.

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Paranoid Loyd
#8 - 2014-09-18 00:03:33 UTC
Paper DPS =/= Applied DPS

Go fly the ships and you will understand the difference.

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Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-09-18 00:43:55 UTC
I don't fear cats at all when out flying. They can only sit on your face doing damage, they have no tank, no speed, and no range. Talwar is a much scarier destroyer. It can do a sizable chunk of dps at long range and is hard to catch.

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Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2014-09-18 00:46:12 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Paper DPS =/= Applied DPS

Go fly the ships and you will understand the difference.



This. You can have a 15000 dps Moros but it means squat if you cannot apply that to a target
Dia'Sarbator
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2014-09-18 04:12:09 UTC
Nolak Ataru wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Paper DPS =/= Applied DPS

Go fly the ships and you will understand the difference.



This. You can have a 15000 dps Moros but it means squat if you cannot apply that to a target



I am by no means apposed to giving it more tank or more options but the DPS factor needs to be brought in line with the other Dessies ... The problem is that it can reach such levels of dps... I mean honestly the people that don't want it nerfed are people that use it for ganking ... Instead of this very niche aspect of the game i propose fixing the ship to bring it in line with the others
Iyokus Patrouette
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-09-18 04:43:23 UTC
Dia'Sarbator wrote:
I mean honestly the people that don't want it nerfed are people that use it for ganking ... Instead of this very niche aspect of the game i propose fixing the ship to bring it in line with the others



I mean honestly the people that want it nerfed are people that got ganked by one. that statement works both ways Roll

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Domino Vyse
FeedingMachine
#13 - 2014-09-18 05:27:51 UTC
If you have a web, you can kill a cata.
Dia'Sarbator
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2014-09-18 06:05:42 UTC
Iyokus Patrouette wrote:
Dia'Sarbator wrote:
I mean honestly the people that don't want it nerfed are people that use it for ganking ... Instead of this very niche aspect of the game i propose fixing the ship to bring it in line with the others



I mean honestly the people that want it nerfed are people that got ganked by one. that statement works both ways Roll


I fly skiffs ... which are pretty hard to gank .... especially since i don't afk mine =) but the main point is that the Cata really is out of line when compared to the other ships of the class... 10 % more dmg would be completely understandable but nearly double the dps of the lowest performer of the destroyers means something is broken.
Battle BV Master
Bacon Never Dies
#15 - 2014-09-18 06:32:30 UTC
A Talos can do 1400 DPS while some BCs struggle to do 700. So no its a normal difference in the world of Eve.

Also am probably one of very few here that does not take ganking into account. Never been ganked, never ganked.

I just actually fly the things, kinda weird huh?
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#16 - 2014-09-18 07:31:55 UTC
Dia'Sarbator wrote:
I was playing around with this on EFT .... The catalyst destroyer is 300 dps higher than any of the other destroyers in eve...

I don't know how you've managed so much disparity, the fits I have put the Coercer within 85% of the Catalyst, with double the range and the ability to fit actual tackle. If it didn't have to use rig slots for fitting it would be closer but they're pretty even by the time you get out to max scram range.
Luwc
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2014-09-18 07:45:50 UTC
nah its fine. stay out of scram range and you good.
also a dragoon can neut it before getting vollied to space dust.

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Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2014-09-18 09:55:42 UTC
Cetaphil Thrace wrote:
I agree with Amonios, it has no range compared to the others.



Yet this is a situation of extreme min maxing. It sacrifices one value to have utter massive advantage in other.

That is not healthy on this level, specially when the DPS is the factor boosted. It makes the ship too dislodged of the intended role of the class.

If ccp deemed the past minmatar speed advantage of 20% too much to have for the trade off of capacitor, ehp, and weapon range. THen no way in hell almost 100% damage advantage can be accepted.

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Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2014-09-18 09:57:02 UTC
Battle BV Master wrote:
A Talos can do 1400 DPS while some BCs struggle to do 700. So no its a normal difference in the world of Eve.

Also am probably one of very few here that does not take ganking into account. Never been ganked, never ganked.

I just actually fly the things, kinda weird huh?



Most people with smart brains and that are not biased can percieve that we are in the balance cycle of eve where Gallente are GROSSLY overpowered. Much more overpowered than ever minmatar or ammar have been.

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Danny John-Peter
The Congregation
RAPID HEAVY ROPERS
#20 - 2014-09-18 10:05:08 UTC
Gal do have a good lot at the moment.

Minmatar are currently the worst race.

******* hell tackle about doing a 180.
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