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Tactics/Ships to kill kiting frigates?
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PhatController
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-09-15 17:52:26 UTC
Having trouble killing Navy Comets and Republic Fleet Firetails. Unless they land right on me and I can get a web scram on them I don't have a hope in hell of killing them. What Caldari frigates(T1) should I be looking at to try and kill these?

MWD hookbill? Condor?
Moglarr
Operation Meatshield
#2 - 2014-09-15 18:54:31 UTC
Fight kite with kite. Unless you have a very fast and durable brawler you're in for a hurt. Caldari brawlers can be tanks, but too slow to catch most kiters before it is too late. Ultimately the best thing you can do is have a logi or ewar buddy to either force the kiter to give up, or get too close and get tackled.

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Liam Inkuras
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#3 - 2014-09-15 20:56:20 UTC
Just fit an mwd

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Arla Sarain
#4 - 2014-09-15 22:13:12 UTC
fit a TD too.

At Least they won't hit you either.
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#5 - 2014-09-15 23:19:07 UTC
PhatController wrote:
Having trouble killing Navy Comets and Republic Fleet Firetails. Unless they land right on me and I can get a web scram on them I don't have a hope in hell of killing them. What Caldari frigates(T1) should I be looking at to try and kill these?

MWD hookbill? Condor?



Not much you can do about it if they other pilot is skilled, particularly if they have implants and/or a booster in the system. They're popular ships becasue they can get away from a lot.

As you mentioned, they're vulnerable to web and scram. They're also vulnerable to fast tracking destroyers and some drones. You can slow them down with a neut in some cruisers or kill them with smart bombs or a sniper under some conditions, none of which applies to T1 frigates, I'm afraid.

Your best best in a T1 frigate is to have a surprise waiting for them, tbh. Oo

In terms of caldari ships, the first thing that comes to mind is to try your luck with a kestrel and a sensor damp. You can make it look like you're running and time the damp as they're just outside point range to force them to come in even closer to get a lock on you. If you're lucky (and you will have to be lucky) then you might be able to turn around at the moment you engage the damp and approach him and because of their high speed he'll run right into you if he also clicked on approach in his hurry to close the gap. At that point you might be able to get a scram on him. I'm going to say the odds are 5:1 against but you might get the odd kill like this.

it will take some practice and luck (and a lot of lost kestrels) but this is probably your best bet for luring a ship like that into scram range. I'm not 100% sure that one damp will be enough to do the job, though so EFT it before you take my word for it and/or get a friend to help you work out a tactic.

T-
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#6 - 2014-09-16 08:32:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Danny John-Peter
You guys make this all seem very complicated.

Unless its like a linked Garmur you can usually catch most kiting frigates with a well placed sling shot using an MWD, if you are Caldari a rocket Condor or Crow is a good bet, probably something like this.

[Condor, swagger]
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#7 - 2014-09-16 13:54:41 UTC
Light missiles murder kiting frigates. Precision ones moreso.

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JAF Anders
Adenosine Inhibition
#8 - 2014-09-16 20:39:26 UTC
Use Railguns with a Merlin, Light Missiles with Condors or Kestrels. You'll lose the DPS race against brawlers but you'll be able to drive off most kiters.

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Vestion Stenier-Tian
Bellax Borealis
Arkhos Core
#9 - 2014-09-18 12:15:19 UTC
You have two main options when facing kiters without resorting to MWD + long point tactics yourself.

The first is slingshoting, you can find plenty of videos on youtube on how to do. Even the most skilled pilots **** up sometimes. However, if they are running links + know what they're doing (not a combination you get often but still) it can make things extremely difficult, however if you do land that scram you have automatically won.

Another option is fitting long ranged guns to your ships. The rail comet for example is extremely good right now, as it can viably brawl and often win if its flown right, but at the same time it can load spike/thorium/plutonium and drop warriors to hit kiters, forcing them to warp and sometimes even killing them before they can.

If you want to stick to scram + AB + short ranged guns however, you just need to be more careful in what you take.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#10 - 2014-09-18 18:08:13 UTC
Fit a sensor damp (range script) to reduce their targetting range. It's much easier to sling shot a guy once you cut his leash length in half.

Same basic idea is to range disrupt his guns. Let him kite you all day and do no damage.

Keep in mind both these modules gobble up your cap, so fitting may not be so easy cap wise. You may have to consider boosters and implants to augment your fit.
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#11 - 2014-09-20 08:13:23 UTC
Danny John-Peter wrote:
You guys make this all seem very complicated.

Unless its like a linked Garmur you can usually catch most kiting frigates with a well placed sling shot using an MWD, if you are Caldari a rocket Condor or Crow is a good bet, probably something like this.

[Condor, swagger]
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You can't catch a Garmur with that. They're simply too fast. As I mentioned, I believe the only real hope you have is sniping.

T-
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#12 - 2014-09-20 13:14:19 UTC
Tinu Moorhsum wrote:
Danny John-Peter wrote:
You guys make this all seem very complicated.

Unless its like a linked Garmur you can usually catch most kiting frigates with a well placed sling shot using an MWD, if you are Caldari a rocket Condor or Crow is a good bet, probably something like this.

[Condor, swagger]
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J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
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Rocket Launcher II, Scourge Rage Rocket
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5W Infectious Power System Malfunction
Rocket Launcher II, Scourge Rage Rocket

Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Small Bay Loading Accelerator I
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I


You can't catch a Garmur with that. They're simply too fast. As I mentioned, I believe the only real hope you have is sniping.

T-


You almost certainly can catch a Garmur with that, it might not be easy but its doable.
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#13 - 2014-09-20 22:43:50 UTC
Danny John-Peter wrote:


You almost certainly can catch a Garmur with that, it might not be easy but its doable.

I'm going to need to see the kill mail.
Mysa
EVIL PLANKTON
#14 - 2014-09-21 10:48:24 UTC
Kiters are usually easy to sling or to catch before they starts to orbiting. Im having some success whit my slasher fitt vs caldari kiting t1/t2 frigs.

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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#15 - 2014-09-22 15:49:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Lloyd Roses
Just get a normal derptron. Kills kiting frigs in 3 shots.

Uh right, tactics:

Burn away with MWD cold, click approach when your cycle is nearly done and activate OH. This slingshots you into tackle range 95/100 times against unlinked kites.
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-09-23 17:09:34 UTC
Tinu Moorhsum wrote:
Danny John-Peter wrote:


You almost certainly can catch a Garmur with that, it might not be easy but its doable.

I'm going to need to see the kill mail.

Check my kb Big smile

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PhatController
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#17 - 2014-09-24 16:07:03 UTC
Cara Forelli wrote:
Tinu Moorhsum wrote:
Danny John-Peter wrote:


You almost certainly can catch a Garmur with that, it might not be easy but its doable.

I'm going to need to see the kill mail.

Check my kb Big smile

TLDR: People mess up sometimes when they're moving 5000+ m/s on 1 second ticks.


That's one slow garmur, seen them doing double that.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#18 - 2014-09-24 16:19:03 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
Quote:

Quote:
TLDR: People mess up sometimes when they're moving 5000+ m/s on 1 second ticks.


That's one slow garmur, seen them doing double that.

We caught a Garmer last night with us having no boosts, but in general there's a difference between a bad Garmer pilot, a good Garmer pilot, and a cowardly Garmer pilot with max boosts. Very rare you're going to catch the last guy with anything.
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Moira.
#19 - 2014-09-24 16:25:56 UTC
Catching and killing bad garmur pilots is easy, you can do it in a derptron, just need to manual pilot.

Catching and killing a linked & snaked garmur with a good pilot is almost impossible unless you are at least planted up yourself.

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Feodor Romanov
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2014-09-24 22:41:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Feodor Romanov
PhatController wrote:
Having trouble killing Navy Comets and Republic Fleet Firetails. Unless they land right on me and I can get a web scram on them I don't have a hope in hell of killing them. What Caldari frigates(T1) should I be looking at to try and kill these?

MWD hookbill? Condor?


Stop flying Caldari ships, fly Gallente ones! That will solve your problem.
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