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Trouble finding a corp/alliance when you are a freeman (one for the GD forums)
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Jenshae Chiroptera
#101 - 2011-11-25 01:51:34 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
OP needs to learn that operating a corp requires isk and LOTS....LOTS of time. It's all a matter of what people are willing to pay to belong to an organization that makes the overall gaming experience easier and more fun.



OP apparently already had a large and successful one and should already know all this.

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Hainnz
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#102 - 2011-11-25 02:22:23 UTC
I waited tables while I went to school. Think of EVE corps like restaurants. You might get a meager wage being a server, but usually that is to cover (a portion of) your income and payroll taxes on your income from claimed tips. In addition you pay out the bussers, and the bartenders, and your boss tells you when, how, and where you have to work. Sounds like a pretty sweet deal for the owner right? It is.

BUT... unless you are horrible at waiting tables or the restaurant itself is horrible (or the customers are) then you come out ahead in the end thanks to the tips you earned. Now if you could earn more money (or since this is a game have more fun) on your own without working for the man, then more power to you. There is a reason why people actually WANT to work at (good) restaurants waiting tables, even with all the downsides.

I agree however that everything you say is true of most high sec corps.
Botleten
Perkone
Caldari State
#103 - 2011-11-25 02:52:46 UTC
Molly Molotov wrote:

This just goes to show what a brainwashed cog you are. You honestly believe that you NEED your masters to do all of the things you mentioned. What you listed is part of the game not a part of your particular alliance and if you think those options aren't available to everyone minus the specifics and the mindless fleet warfare then you clearly don't have any clue about what goes on outside of your little bubble, outside of your lord's kingdom. To you, EVE is the goons. You are the perfect slave.


Do I enjoy the goon community? Yes, they make this game far more entertaining than it would be otherwise because they provide a chill ass group of people to cruise around with and opens up aspects of the game a poor little pubbie such as yourself will never experience. I very much enjoy having an active helping community because it increases the fun of the things I could already otherwise do, as well as opening up new aspects of the game. Sure you could go ninja rat in NPC space when you don't have a nullsec corp backing you nup, but life is much more difficult and its far more fun when you have a group of people to do it with that have your back. And, as I mentioned, it offers far more versatility than your sad eve existence.

I'm afraid you don't know the definition of what a slave is. You see, a slave is someone who is forcibly pushed into labor they don't enjoy for no compensation. I, however, am never forced to go on any ops as we don't have these 'CTA's' you pubbies seem to think exist (they don't, atleast not in goons), we are free to engage in any number of opportunities available to us. I have never once, in my year in goons, been 'forced' on an op, I do it because I want to see the embetterment of the community. And those opportunities I do take advantage of, I am compensated very plentifully. But hey, you might not have a large tight knit community, or well protected space, or reimbursements, or infrastructure to make traveling easier, or opportunities for pvp on demand, but atleast you don't have to pay that small tax!
Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#104 - 2011-11-25 03:43:02 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
OP needs to learn that operating a corp requires isk and LOTS....LOTS of time. It's all a matter of what people are willing to pay to belong to an organization that makes the overall gaming experience easier and more fun.





how much do i know that. I played for 16 hours a day for a while until my RL could take it no more and neither could i. being a CEO is all about time.
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#105 - 2011-11-25 03:48:40 UTC
Botleten wrote:
Molly Molotov wrote:

This just goes to show what a brainwashed cog you are. You honestly believe that you NEED your masters to do all of the things you mentioned. What you listed is part of the game not a part of your particular alliance and if you think those options aren't available to everyone minus the specifics and the mindless fleet warfare then you clearly don't have any clue about what goes on outside of your little bubble, outside of your lord's kingdom. To you, EVE is the goons. You are the perfect slave.


Do I enjoy the goon community? Yes, they make this game far more entertaining than it would be otherwise because they provide a chill ass group of people to cruise around with and opens up aspects of the game a poor little pubbie such as yourself will never experience. I very much enjoy having an active helping community because it increases the fun of the things I could already otherwise do, as well as opening up new aspects of the game. Sure you could go ninja rat in NPC space when you don't have a nullsec corp backing you nup, but life is much more difficult and its far more fun when you have a group of people to do it with that have your back. And, as I mentioned, it offers far more versatility than your sad eve existence.

I'm afraid you don't know the definition of what a slave is. You see, a slave is someone who is forcibly pushed into labor they don't enjoy for no compensation. I, however, am never forced to go on any ops as we don't have these 'CTA's' you pubbies seem to think exist (they don't, atleast not in goons), we are free to engage in any number of opportunities available to us. I have never once, in my year in goons, been 'forced' on an op, I do it because I want to see the embetterment of the community. And those opportunities I do take advantage of, I am compensated very plentifully. But hey, you might not have a large tight knit community, or well protected space, or reimbursements, or infrastructure to make traveling easier, or opportunities for pvp on demand, but atleast you don't have to pay that small tax!



I love that term Pubbie. It reminds me of teenagers who join the army and three months later are calling everyone civvies.

yeah so you dont have to go on CTA thats because your masters made you blue to everyone local. Your buying into your masters whims and you get to pay 15% to do it.

The next time i see the goons suiciding the endless supply of Ice fairies i know thats its all about the fail. I never once saw the Mitteri suicide ganking perhaps he was trying to work out how to get his supply of ice to highsec for a killing on the transport systems that you pay for.

Enjoy yourself

"Goons not as good as they think they are"
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#106 - 2011-11-25 04:17:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Kidd
Karn Dulake wrote:
Mr Kidd wrote:
OP needs to learn that operating a corp requires isk and LOTS....LOTS of time. It's all a matter of what people are willing to pay to belong to an organization that makes the overall gaming experience easier and more fun.





how much do i know that. I played for 16 hours a day for a while until my RL could take it no more and neither could i. being a CEO is all about time.


Well, I wouldn't say that one needs to spend 16hrs a day. However, there is a commitment necessary. My corp is currently positioned in such a way that the members have plenty to do most days whether I'm online or not. And while I spend a lot of time tending to my corp I do have to choose whether it's farming or responsibilities. Responsibilities always trump farming. That's where the tax is handy because it is perfectly possible for my own members to make more isk than I do as they aren't shackled with some of the more time consuming aspects of maintaining a corp, fueling and supplies not withstanding. Any of the tax I utilize for myself is merely payment for services rendered. Where my members are currently, the people they're able to work with is in large part due to my networks of friends. I have no illusions that they can't do it on their own, but then, such networks take time to develop, knowledge time to acquire. And yet, without soliciting their opinions my guys have told me on various occasions that essentially they like where they are, having more fun, making more isk than before.

I have no qualms charging a tax and I make it no secret that I use corp funds for personal pursuits. Nor do I make it a secret when asked to farm and I have to decline the opportunity because I have to do an alliance thing or take care of this and that.

Basically what you're advocating is benefiting yourself from what a corporation/alliance has to offer at their own expense, assuming the relationship isn't dependent upon shared expense instead of a "tax". However, if you're contributing of your own accord, it's still a tax, albeit voluntary. If the relationship is such that you're in whatever corp/alliance and you have no expenses fiscally or in time associated with the corp/alliance then I'd have to someone is getting screwed and you're living it up. At that point you can come off your moral high horse because you do not have any sort of morally superior stance from which to judge.

As for your 700mil in the morning....yeah....I'd like to see that without some fantastic rare drop or 3 other players/alts tagging along. If it's accomplished with alts or other players then it's not really 700mil is it?

Don't ban me, bro!
Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#107 - 2011-11-25 04:25:49 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
Karn Dulake wrote:
Mr Kidd wrote:
OP needs to learn that operating a corp requires isk and LOTS....LOTS of time. It's all a matter of what people are willing to pay to belong to an organization that makes the overall gaming experience easier and more fun.





how much do i know that. I played for 16 hours a day for a while until my RL could take it no more and neither could i. being a CEO is all about time.


Well, I wouldn't say that one needs to spend 16hrs a day. However, there is a commitment necessary. My corp is currently positioned in such a way that the members have plenty to do most days whether I'm online or not. And while I spend a lot of time tending to my corp I do have to choose whether it's farming or responsibilities. Responsibilities always trump farming. That's where the tax is handy because it is perfectly possible for my own members to make more isk than I do as they aren't shackled with some of the more time consuming aspects of maintaining a corp, fueling and supplies not withstanding. Any of the tax I utilize for myself is merely payment for services rendered. Where my members are currently, the people they're able to work with is in large part due to my networks of friends. I have no illusions that they can't do it on their own, but then, such networks take time to develop, knowledge time to acquire. And yet, without soliciting their opinions my guys have told me on various occasions that essentially they like where they are, having more fun, making more isk than before.

I have no qualms charging a tax and I make it no secret that I use corp funds for personal pursuits. Nor do I make it a secret when asked to farm and I have to decline the opportunity because I have to do an alliance thing or take care of this and that.

As for your 700mil in the morning....yeah....I'd like to see that without some fantastic rare drop or 3 other players/alts tagging along. If it's accomplished with alts or other players then it's not really 700mil is it?




It was 16 hours a day in the beginning as i was setting up the corp and it went from there. We joined an alliance and brought a wardec with us and as i was so young i felt that i needed to be in the fleets all the time as they seemed to be running around the clock. Everything took time.

It was 700 million im not logging on to check the items but it was one item worth around 550 million plus a overseer 19 plus 2 other faction worth 100 million between them and another faction item worth about 5 million.
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
Burseg Sardaukar
Free State Project
#108 - 2011-11-25 04:28:00 UTC
Manalapan had a good idea about being able to tax several different forms of income, including market sell orders, as a corp sales tax.

This would rake in far more isk than rat/mission bounty percentages, and I dislike the idea of any Income tax, and prefer the sales tax approach regardless.

Can't wait to dual box my Dust toon and EVE toon on the same machine!
Molly Molotov
Doomheim
#109 - 2011-11-25 05:03:28 UTC
Botleten wrote:

Do I enjoy the goon community?


That's nice, a bunch of immature ripe neckbeards who use the terms

Botleten wrote:

chill ass


and

Botleten wrote:

pubbie


see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdd74kLxgGo

Botleten wrote:

it offers far more versatility


No, why would you think that tending land in 0.0 is somehow versatile is beyond me.

Botleten wrote:

I'm afraid you don't know the definition of what a slave is.


As far as you and I are concerned it's a fool who is commanded to spam forums and upboat people for their spacebook accounts or vote in their lord to interstellar attention whore council.
Molly Molotov
Doomheim
#110 - 2011-11-25 05:03:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Molly Molotov
[cont....]

Botleten wrote:

well protected space


I wouldn't call sporadic unattended bubbles well protected. I think you're talking about being blue to everyone Roll

Botleten wrote:

reimbursements


I'm glad that as you're spending time being used as fodder your masters give you the tools to be fodder more.

Botleten wrote:

or infrastructure


Derp, jump bridges. That's for them though I guess you're lucky they let you use it to get to your plow.

Botleten wrote:

small tax


15% + your autonomy and dignity as you are forced to pretend you are a little pony for your teenage lords who call themselves 'bronies'.
Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#111 - 2011-11-25 06:06:11 UTC
I was on a bus into the city a couple years ago and met three guys who worked at a bookbinding factory. The way I met them was by interrupting one of them trying to pick a fight with seven huge Pacific Islanders who just laughed at him. Turns out he was a little slow, mentally.
Of his two friends, one was a specimen of the 'better-than-everyone-I-know-everything' type of man who usually lives in quite a solitary way not due to being disappointed by the people in his life, not happily due to his temperament, but quietly smug in his high opinion of himself that interferes with his every interaction with his fellow man.
OP strikes me as one of these. They infest the internet, ask dumb questions and are identified by the resolute way you never, ever, ever see them stand corrected. Or even be in the slightest way informed by anyone else. Your replies and reasonable answers will be dissected or quibbled with. This type is not a troll, since a troll's intent goes beyond himself.


TL:DR; OP says "You stink and I don't, why do you stink?", no replies necessary, it's validation, not a question.


Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#112 - 2011-11-25 06:06:40 UTC
Karn Dulake wrote:



Everyone is missing the point. I dont want to raise an army and march of into nullsec its a huge investment of time and logistics. i want to join an existing nullsec alliance without becoming a serf


There's this thing called wormholes. Check it out. Sounds to me like you want all the benefits of being in a very large alliance (ie your back is being watched for you 24/7), but you don't want to join an alliance, much less contribute to the alliance. Well if you're so good at everything you just don't need anyone else. See you later.
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#113 - 2011-11-25 06:16:08 UTC
As a recruiter, all I have to say is that while narcissism and ego is perfectly fine in a pilot, greed at the expense of the greater whole is a real turn off. Nullsec is ALL about teamwork, and we expect everybody to be willing to pull their own weight. Don't expect to find a corp anytime soon with your attitude.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#114 - 2011-11-25 06:20:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Krios Ahzek
Molly Molotov wrote:

15% + your autonomy and dignity as you are forced to pretend you are a little pony for your teenage lords who call themselves 'bronies'.

Bronies are ******* horrible
I disagree for the rest.

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#115 - 2011-11-25 06:22:44 UTC
from one point or another.

Someone could enjoy being soldier, expendable. You do the job, its job, and if you enjoy it, then you cant probably say that you suffer being used.
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#116 - 2011-11-25 06:24:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Aiwha
Krios Ahzek wrote:
Molly Molotov wrote:

15% + your autonomy and dignity as you are forced to pretend you are a little pony for your teenage lords who call themselves 'bronies'.



Bronies are ******* horrible
I disagree for the rest.


http://c-sub.org/Ponyblog/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Oh-no-you-didnt-150x150.gif

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
supersexysucker
Uber Awesome Fantastico Awesomeness Group
#117 - 2011-11-25 06:26:01 UTC
Trouble finding a corp/alliance when you are a *******

Fits better.

I never, once, heard anyone complain about taxs... just like they never complained about free skill books, isk for ships, the free mods in corp hangers, the free corp hangers... and all that other free stuff.

Hell people never complained when I flat out just sent them a bill... with no price lists! I just got the isk in the wallet.

But ya... they were dumb to pay that tax...


I kinda wonder how the OP deals with life, where well... I think he/she is paying taxes...

OMG did we find the starter of the occupy movement?!
Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#118 - 2011-11-25 06:34:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Karn Dulake
Chopper Rollins wrote:
I was on a bus into the city a couple years ago and met three guys who worked at a bookbinding factory. The way I met them was by interrupting one of them trying to pick a fight with seven huge Pacific Islanders who just laughed at him. Turns out he was a little slow, mentally.
Of his two friends, one was a specimen of the 'better-than-everyone-I-know-everything' type of man who usually lives in quite a solitary way not due to being disappointed by the people in his life, not happily due to his temperament, but quietly smug in his high opinion of himself that interferes with his every interaction with his fellow man.
OP strikes me as one of these. They infest the internet, ask dumb questions and are identified by the resolute way you never, ever, ever see them stand corrected. Or even be in the slightest way informed by anyone else. Your replies and reasonable answers will be dissected or quibbled with. This type is not a troll, since a troll's intent goes beyond himself.


TL:DR; OP says "You stink and I don't, why do you stink?", no replies necessary, it's validation, not a question.






This is priceless. I like the way you had to mention the slow idiot as the friend of the person you think is like me.

Enjoyed that one a lot.

Do you have anymore pearls of wisdom.

And if you notice i have been conversing with people and accepting certain issues.

TL DR another tard who feels superior in his posting of someone who he thinks is acting superior
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
NIJofleyUK
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#119 - 2011-11-30 09:18:30 UTC
Gealla wrote:
Having that corp funded POS in system, so when a hostile gang jumps in I can safe up and switch to a pvp ship, without warping to the obvious bubble they just dropped on the station? Effin priceless
Having that industry hub at 5, having the military hub at 5 so I can make more isk to fund my ship habit? Effin priceless
Having discount carriers available on corp contracts? Effin priceless

- my reasons to be happy with any tax my corp wants.


Hold on, you live in Drone space, Shut the hell up!! You dont get bounties so your hardly gonna make your corp ISK, but then again your farming BOTS will do that for ya!

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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#120 - 2011-11-30 09:20:26 UTC
Freedom is an idea. You cant be free while you live.