EVE General Discussion

As someone so elequently put it a few days ago there are different types of players in this game.

The Serf who work for a CEO sitting on a 10% tax rate for everything they kill. These are found all over EVE from highsec to nullsec.

The bandits who prey on everyone (they can still be Serfs as they normally have high tax rates).

Noobs who are still finding there way.

And finally Free men who enjoy all of the benefits of EVE and have no one making in roads into their profits.


Free men who want to try something new only to br offered the choice between being a bandit or a Serf.

As a Free man i pay no tax and i am free to do as i please. But all of the corps or alliances i look at all want my hard earned Isk. All i ever see in highsec is "mission runners wanted" and then after some checking a 10% tax rate is offered for no discernable reason. And it is like this regardless of what kind of corp you want to join.

The reasons almost always fall into these categories

1. We have a ship replacement scheme.

Why do i have to pay for other peoples losses. If you let us earn our own isk we can pay for what we lose. And you will distill a philosophy of how to maximise your isk generation instead of just doing the bare minimum and allowing the alliance to pay for your pvp ships and other people to take up the slack.

2. We have a POS that needs fueling and we provide cheap Tech II ships for the corp/alliance. This is the weakest argument ever. Highsec provides incredibly cheap ships with hardly any profit for the inventor and are you really using every slot for the corp.

3. The only time this makes sense is when you have SOV bills to pay, buuuuut if you have a tech moon that you insist everyone defends why is this not being used to pay for the SOV bills instead of that 10-15% corp tax you have.

4. Many people i talk to who follow the Serf route suffer from cognitive dissonance on the matter. The will justify anything because its something that they do and to consider the alternative causes them to suffer from a state of dissonance which is not comfortable.

5 Next time the CEO tells you that he is buying a BPO for the corp out of taxation no that its for him as when you leave you cannot take it with you.



So the question is where can i find a nullsec corp of self sufficient people who will not need to take my hard earned isk for some pretty pointless reason.


At the moment i mission in a boat that does more DPS than 99% of the ships in EVE. I build when i can be bothered. And i spend a lot of time in lowsec running 5/10s as they are easy and pay plenty (made 700 million this morning in less than an hour). i only PvP in highsec to keep my sec up.

But i would like to be part of a nullsec operation where i can pvp and make isk but without being a Serf. It is the plight of Freemen all over EVE who would love to leave or try something new.

Let the cognitive dissonance begin and hopefully i few freemen will say hello

If you really want to play then say what you tax rate is and justify it.


TLDR Free men are only ever offered alliances with a Serf mentality.

you must run a lot of missions if your 10% mission reward pays for ppls losses and/or fuel a pos

Marx

If you are unable to comprehend you are indeed lost. As the current state of affairs in real life shows.

Offices aren't free, nor are alliance bills. Corporate hangars are a necessity to a lot of players and they only come with offices.

I think you are on to something. Stop bitching and stop looking for people that do stuff for you for free. Set the tax rate of your company to zero. Recruit more people to your cause and do what you want to be happy. Good luck. Come back in a while and report to us how it went.

Thats the whole point i dont want anyone to do anything for me.


Everyone is missing the point. I dont want to raise an army and march of into nullsec its a huge investment of time and logistics. i want to join an existing nullsec alliance without becoming a serf

So are you saying that people pay 10% because someone else set up an alliance and you are joining it?

Actually it does.

You work for greater good, working for the hive, be part of something bigger then you are.

Question is what about personality...

To be honest personality doesnt realy exist, It is something which is created by society itself anyway.
Even if you fight against it you are part of it. Since if it would not exist you would not fight against it ???

No..
Not collecting stamps is not an hobby.

Please explain this please. Its sounds fantastic but its what they sell the serfs on all the time. It really has not meaning unless you explain it. otherwise its just Cognitive D

Consider it a tax to deal with your charming e-personality.