Wormholes

First what I'm looking at:

With hyperion there were a few changes effecting w-space.

It appears a balance point may have been crossed on the time-to-effort and risks-to-rewards vectors for some/many residents.

If a poor perception in such changes spreads, what manifests may become a rather sizable problem for the bulk of those who live in w-space.

In general, when people/groups feel threatened there are generally 2 paths that are followed:

1) Evacuation - mostly of smaller groups who won't feel they can operate any longer.
2) Clustering - smaller groups joining w-space alliances -- "strength in numbers"

The latter has seen a lot of bloat over the last couple years as may be seen by some fairly sizable organizations operating *AS* organizations in w-space now.

Evacuation over the short term shouldn't be a major problem . That should be readily addressable by players or by CCP tweaks to the space if the overall population shifts too much.

Clustering, long term, would be a huge issue and best if it's nipped in the bud early before it goes too far.

I don't think any w-space groups would like to see their own home-grown version of "the blue doughnut" of null SOV lands form up.

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As such, the questions are these:

1) Are smaller w-space groups losing members to larger groups in noticeably higher numbers?
2) Are larger w-space alliances getting more applications for membership by existing w-space corporations?

I think these would be indicators to track beyond simple population statistics. If these numbers are going up then you may have bigger problems than just the ones being muttered about by some residents.

It may be a bit early for such to noticeable but, then again, it may not be.

I think you will find examples of both as independent of Hyperion they have long been part of the cycle. Winning is generally preferred to losing fights and simply bringing a bigger team is much easier than improving your existing teams skills. What this poll won't measure is the incoming, not yet part of the community organizations which become the groups who eventually join other groups only to have it all break apart into smaller groups.

If I were to try to measure the future impact of changes it would be to track fuel blocks contained within wspace by wormhole class. People thinking about moving out burn down their fuel while those looking forward to a long future stock up.

Blue donut. Interesting.

The way it works is this, Me against my brother, me and my brother against our cousins, all of us against everyone else.

hard knocks (for example) call that they've got a nulsec carrier tackled and need a quick assist. We go help.

Next day they roll into our hole and spank our fleet

Its the wormhole way.

I see no problem with the Wormhole version of the blue donut

Blue donut may not be the best term, but I, and others, have touched on the WH mergers and acquisitions in other topics. My theory goes something like this:

1. Group A rolls into Group B. Group A has 20 dudes, and Group B only has 10. There is either no fight because Group B is too scared, or there is a fight and Group B gets crushed.
2. Group B says "screw this we need more people", so they go on a recruiting drive, but instead of getting total WH noobs who may also rob the corp blind they pull in people from another smaller corp, so that they can now field 25.
3. Group B now rolls into Group A, and returns the favor of crushing them due to numerical superiority, so now Group A goes on a recruiting drive, and pulls more pilots from existing WH corps.
4. This process repeats itself over and over, and also adds Groups C, D, E, and F to the mix all following the same steps.
5. Now instead of having 15 WH corps with 100 pilots each we have 5 with 300 each. Same 1500 pilots, but fewer occupied WHs. This means more empty chains for everyone.

Once again, I am not proposing that corps be limited, or limit themselves, on the number of pilots/players. I am just stating that when you try to "catch them all" then you are depriving yourself of someone to shoot at also.

Bedouin logic. ;-)

Yes I recognize it and its implementation has been one of the draw points of w-space. Looking at that RL equivalent, they've been "losing ground" for the last 30 years and it's been dissolving faster of late, with less and less tolerance for "the old ways" by the nations in those regions.



I stated the clustering has been happening "a bit" but there's a distinct difference between a few larger groups with a lot of smaller groups and smaller groups folding into larger groups.

What Mithandra pointed out is "old ways". If that starts taking a hit for "empire building"... The causes of such is by necessity.

Yes there's been some 'bloat' but overall it's been a place where smaller groups could go and survive.. Even thrive. That is nothing like what I'm trying to find out about.

Are populations starting to shift faster?

I suppose you could say I'm looking at it a bit like another game I play called Plague Inc (a pandemic simulation game where you play a plague).

Once a plague hits a population threshold, it expands faster and faster with effect. To build up quickly, you add the equivalent of accelerants to the situation - 2 types, one being the ability to spread it across areas, the other being the ability to spread it within a population. Without such - it may "infect" to a given point but sits there, not really expanding albeit noticeable; it is not a major problem to the overall "health" of an area.

A key tactic of that game is not being noticed or only being seen as trivial until you've managed to take it beyond a point of no return. If spotted early enough, it will be stopped but only if spotted early enough.

Phrasing differently:
Looking at the overall situation in w-space, the question comes up, do these changes cross a threshold point as an accelerant?

Are the 2 metrics I bring up accelerating a process to an "infectious" momentum point?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikzeEz7TyKg


I will just leave this here ...

If you have Questions regarding Natwo.... Yes it was / is the biggest Coalition in Wormholes...

SSC / VoC / LFarm / HK...

Bert 2012: "Ever woke up in a cheap motel with some naked ugly people around, your first instinct is to bail as soon as you are concious .. but 2 weeks later you want to get back to the motel."

http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1451aq/100b_isk_epic_battle_in_wh_space_this_should_make/

Why was Natwo brought to live? Because some people banded together and tried to evict some PvPers and so the discussion about dont evict pvp was started... good times

Edit: Totally forgot .. it wasnt a "normal" coalition as it was treated as "Friends with Benefits", so only during "times of need" the band came together.

Main Protagonists:
Ayeson who still is living of PI Tax of Rage
G0hme who now is in Pandemic Legion (also Wormholes "first" Titanbridger")
StarfleetCommander funguy
WarGod being super awesome FC

You mean ... well lets not disclose stuff like that. Last time Natwo made alot of people VERY SCARED.


Also lovely Hidden I said was / is xD, as long as the players are still around, Natwo will always be alive.


Just remember Kids: "DONT EVICT PVP"

Nice one. And exactly the reason why some smaller corps avoid joining alliances and feel somewhat bad when they have more than 20 in fleet in w-space. : )

On the other hand I noticed that we have had several new members joining during the last couple of months who were part of larger w-space alliances that fell apart.

Actually nice guys but that makes me wonder why they joined the w-space blobs in the first place. : )

Yes, it's been a thing for at least 3 years...