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Battlecruisers and Battleships need better brakes

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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#1 - 2014-09-14 11:42:50 UTC  |  Edited by: elitatwo
One could assume that a bigger boat would have bigger engines and better technology onboard so that slowing down wouldn't be such a hassle as it is now.

The acceleration into the warp 'tunnel' of battlecruisers and battleships seems okay so far but slowing those down out of warp is out of line.

So I suggest we ask some fine Caldari engineers to develop a better braking system for larger ships to cut down the deccelaration process down to half.

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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2014-09-14 11:50:54 UTC
Double click directly behind your ship.
Steppa Musana
Doomheim
#3 - 2014-09-14 11:54:37 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Double click directly behind your ship.

This.

Although ideally, it would be slowing down at that speed when you just brake.

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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#4 - 2014-09-14 11:54:50 UTC
I believe OP is complaining about warp deceleration.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#5 - 2014-09-14 11:56:13 UTC
Comes in handy when burning to gate and the scram lands.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#6 - 2014-09-14 11:57:20 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
I believe OP is complaining about warp deceleration.


Yes.

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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#7 - 2014-09-14 11:58:11 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Double click directly behind your ship.


You cannot do that in warp

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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2014-09-14 12:04:29 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Double click directly behind your ship.


You cannot do that in warp



Perhaps you should have mentioned warp somewhere in your OP then?

And if they changed the deceleration, they'd slow the warpspeed even more to counter it.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#9 - 2014-09-14 12:08:06 UTC
Use warp speed rigs/implants/mods.

elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#10 - 2014-09-14 12:09:09 UTC
I did, happy?

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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#11 - 2014-09-14 12:14:26 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Use warp speed rigs/implants/mods.



They do not slow you down faster out of warp. One of the reasons battleships appear travelling so slow these day is that the second they slow down from the 2AU/s warp speed to zero speed is that is take the same time to slow that ship down as it takes to cross a system from gate to gate to slow it down again.

Visually you 'appear' on grid of your destination but you are unable to do anything at this point until your ship is slowed down enough.

Even in a Leopard it seems it takes longer to slow down than to warp from gate to gate.

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Doddy
Excidium.
#12 - 2014-09-14 12:25:12 UTC
Given this is a relatively recent and deliberately implemented balancing mechanic i don't see them changing it. More massive objects have greater momentum and should be much harder to slow down in any case so i am not entirely sure on your point tbh.
Steppa Musana
Doomheim
#13 - 2014-09-14 12:32:48 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
I believe OP is complaining about warp deceleration.

Dur. I need coffee.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#14 - 2014-09-14 12:34:25 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Use warp speed rigs/implants/mods.



They do not slow you down faster out of warp. One of the reasons battleships appear travelling so slow these day is that the second they slow down from the 2AU/s warp speed to zero speed is that is take the same time to slow that ship down as it takes to cross a system from gate to gate to slow it down again.

Visually you 'appear' on grid of your destination but you are unable to do anything at this point until your ship is slowed down enough.

Even in a Leopard it seems it takes longer to slow down than to warp from gate to gate.


As someone who abuses warp speed toys greatly I can tell you they do make a massive difference.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#15 - 2014-09-14 12:35:10 UTC
Doddy wrote:
Given this is a relatively recent and deliberately implemented balancing mechanic i don't see them changing it. More massive objects have greater momentum and should be much harder to slow down in any case so i am not entirely sure on your point tbh.


Take it as a visual observation I made and comparing it to other ships.

I didn't say anything about the warp speed mechanics even if I have my reservations but they are not up for debate right now.

What I am saying is that it takes too long to have your ship come out of warp.

I am aware that more mass needs more power to slow down because of drag forces and such and it is okay for bigger hulls to slow down longer than a smaller one does but the current rate is too slow.

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Wolf Incaelum
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2014-09-15 04:12:44 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
elitatwo wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Double click directly behind your ship.


You cannot do that in warp



Perhaps you should have mentioned warp somewhere in your OP then?


Perhaps you should re-read the op?

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Wolf Incaelum
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2014-09-15 04:24:52 UTC
More mass means more inertia means more force required to move the object in question. The same amount of inertia in motion, called momentum, means more force required to decrease speed. Our ships currently do not have a way to exert a decelerating force. They simply stop moving on their own after a while. I propose hence the Alcubierre Warp Drive (AWD). It generates a gravitational field that compresses space-time before the ship and expands space-time behind the ship, creating a "wave" atop which the ship "surfs", if you will. Essentially, rather than moving the ship through space, the AWD moves space around the ship. Thus, no forces need be applied to the ship to accelerate, meaning you will be sitting still as soon as the gravitational field disloves and the space-time around the ship "flattens out". Warp deceleration problem solved. Physics is cool. :)

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Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#18 - 2014-09-15 04:35:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Rowells
e: im a terrible reader
Laminar Septimar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-09-15 04:50:14 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
One could assume that a bigger boat would have bigger engines and better technology onboard so that slowing down wouldn't be such a hassle as it is now.

The acceleration into the warp 'tunnel' of battlecruisers and battleships seems okay so far but slowing those down out of warp is out of line.

So I suggest we ask some fine Caldari engineers to develop a better braking system for larger ships to cut down the deccelaration process down to half.


The Warpingsystem got overhauled a few patches ago and it doesn't need yet another overhaul. Big ships accelerate/decelerate slower than smaller ships thus making it easier to catch up and travel faster in smaller ships. Furthermore it is allready possible to decrease the acceleration/deceleration of a starship by using astronautic rigs.

Also why should it be possible to to decelerate faster for a starship ? In a simplified environment, a ship which is accelerated by 1 needs the the same time to accelerate from from its current speed to 10 as it will take the ship to decelerate from 10 to current speed(deceleration is the same as negative acceleration).
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#20 - 2014-09-15 06:06:53 UTC
Wolf Incaelum wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
elitatwo wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Double click directly behind your ship.


You cannot do that in warp



Perhaps you should have mentioned warp somewhere in your OP then?


Perhaps you should re-read the op?


At the time OP was posted, warp was not mentioned anywhere in it.
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