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Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#181 - 2014-09-14 18:29:29 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:


Seriously? Your evidence consists of the wildly unsuccessful kamikaze attacks which didn't involve shooting at the ships, but rather crashing in to them?

How about this hypo - how many people with revolvers would it take to sink an aircraft carrier?



Only one. He sinks it from the inside.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Paranoid Loyd
#182 - 2014-09-14 18:29:36 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
I want to remove an unrealistic and unwarranted ability for cheap gank ships to kill large combat ships.


Unrealistic?

One word, kamikaze


Seriously? Your evidence consists of the wildly unsuccessful kamikaze attacks which didn't involve shooting at the ships, but rather crashing in to them?

How about this hypo - how many people with revolvers would it take to sink an aircraft carrier?


You're a good troll, i'll give you that much.

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New Eden Tech Support
#183 - 2014-09-14 18:30:02 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
I want to remove an unrealistic and unwarranted ability for cheap gank ships to kill large combat ships.


Unrealistic? Ignoring the fact that we are talking about space pixels.

One word, kamikaze

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#184 - 2014-09-14 18:30:37 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Completely false. All that means is that the incentives are not strong enough. If CCP restricted the activity of -10 characters and fixed bumping, CODE would be out of business. That and appropriate incentives to gank high value targets, would go a long way towards fixing highsec. But whatever, further conversation with you is useless. You obviously seem to know what I think better than I do *eyeroll.*

when the 'moderate' carebear saw people in highsec setting and following their own goals in the sandbox game famed for its player-driven metagame, he said to himself 'this is obviously something that needs to be removed'

when he saw players making creative use of game mechanics to achieve their aims within common acceptability, methods endorsed by the game management, in a game and among a playerbase known for its and their tolerance and encouragement of emergent gameplay, he said 'i will campaign that this be nerfed'

truly for the 'moderate' carebear, it's just one more nerf until carebears can't be shot at all


Except that I think mining barges should have much less tank and should be exploding right and left, and even better I'd like for mining to be tossed entirely from the game. Sound like a "moderate carebear" to you?
malcovas Henderson
THoF
#185 - 2014-09-14 18:32:29 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
malcovas Henderson wrote:


Oh dear.....

So not only do you want gankers to lose their profit margins, But also put restricions on every single Capsualeer to being not able to gank because there'd be no profit in it.

Trammil anyone?



Huh? The OP is a perfect example of how an elite group of gankers can make a massive profit through careful target selection and excellent execution. How would my ideas stop them exactly? I'm really not sure what you are trying to say.



You are the one saying it and you are confused? why am I not surprised.......
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#186 - 2014-09-14 18:33:21 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:


Except that I think mining barges should have much less tank and should be exploding right and left, and even better I'd like for mining to be tossed entirely from the game. Sound like a "moderate carebear" to you?


Asking as a miner (I do love my rocks..).. is there a reason you believe this?

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#187 - 2014-09-14 18:35:42 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:


Except that I think mining barges should have much less tank and should be exploding right and left, and even better I'd like for mining to be tossed entirely from the game. Sound like a "moderate carebear" to you?


Asking as a miner (I do love my rocks..).. is there a reason you believe this?


Because mining is a mindless unchallenging activity that encourages AFK and botting, because mining is solely responsible for the generalized deflation in Eve, and because miners have no social engagement with the game, and turn Eve into a boring and static place. It's just an absolute disaster in every possible way, and I'd like to see a whole lot more miners blowing up, as opposed to giving them brick tanked skiffs so now they can really go AFK safely.
malcovas Henderson
THoF
#188 - 2014-09-14 18:40:03 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:


Except that I think mining barges should have much less tank and should be exploding right and left, and even better I'd like for mining to be tossed entirely from the game. Sound like a "moderate carebear" to you?


Asking as a miner (I do love my rocks..).. is there a reason you believe this?


Because mining is a mindless unchallenging activity that encourages AFK and botting, because mining is solely responsible for the generalized deflation in Eve, and because miners have no social engagement with the game, and turn Eve into a boring and static place. It's just an absolute disaster in every possible way, and I'd like to see a whole lot more miners blowing up, as opposed to giving them brick tanked skiffs so now they can really go AFK safely.


And?

You are a mission runner / incursion does that not encourage AFK and botting?

What I find fun has Fook all to do with you. Just because you don't like it does not mean others follow........
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#189 - 2014-09-14 18:42:43 UTC
malcovas Henderson wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:


Except that I think mining barges should have much less tank and should be exploding right and left, and even better I'd like for mining to be tossed entirely from the game. Sound like a "moderate carebear" to you?


Asking as a miner (I do love my rocks..).. is there a reason you believe this?


Because mining is a mindless unchallenging activity that encourages AFK and botting, because mining is solely responsible for the generalized deflation in Eve, and because miners have no social engagement with the game, and turn Eve into a boring and static place. It's just an absolute disaster in every possible way, and I'd like to see a whole lot more miners blowing up, as opposed to giving them brick tanked skiffs so now they can really go AFK safely.


And?

You are a mission runner / incursion does that not encourage AFK and botting?

What I find fun has **** all to do with you. Just because you don't like it does not mean others follow........



What? You seriously think you can AFK/bot incursions or L4 missions? Ha! Is this a troll?
malcovas Henderson
THoF
#190 - 2014-09-14 18:52:38 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
malcovas Henderson wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:


Except that I think mining barges should have much less tank and should be exploding right and left, and even better I'd like for mining to be tossed entirely from the game. Sound like a "moderate carebear" to you?


Asking as a miner (I do love my rocks..).. is there a reason you believe this?


Because mining is a mindless unchallenging activity that encourages AFK and botting, because mining is solely responsible for the generalized deflation in Eve, and because miners have no social engagement with the game, and turn Eve into a boring and static place. It's just an absolute disaster in every possible way, and I'd like to see a whole lot more miners blowing up, as opposed to giving them brick tanked skiffs so now they can really go AFK safely.


And?

You are a mission runner / incursion does that not encourage AFK and botting?

What I find fun has **** all to do with you. Just because you don't like it does not mean others follow........



What? You seriously think you can AFK/bot incursions or L4 missions? Ha! Is this a troll?


I can watch Netflix while L4 mission running. Cant you?
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#191 - 2014-09-14 19:01:18 UTC
malcovas Henderson wrote:


I can watch Netflix while L4 mission running. Cant you?


Sure, and I can do the same thing during most of fleet pvp. Which is no relation to true AFK/botting, which is what miners can do. And for the record, during incursions, I actually can't watch Netflix because I need to be fully engaged.

Stop believing the CODE talking points, and try running some HQ sites.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#192 - 2014-09-14 21:09:48 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:


Because mining is a mindless unchallenging activity that encourages AFK and botting, because mining is solely responsible for the generalized deflation in Eve, and because miners have no social engagement with the game, and turn Eve into a boring and static place. It's just an absolute disaster in every possible way, and I'd like to see a whole lot more miners blowing up, as opposed to giving them brick tanked skiffs so now they can really go AFK safely.


Deflation is a bad thing? I don't understand..

I think the rest of your statement is about mining in hisec. I agree all ore (except for tutorial missions) should be moved out of hisec.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Solecist Project
#193 - 2014-09-14 21:13:55 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:


Except that I think mining barges should have much less tank and should be exploding right and left, and even better I'd like for mining to be tossed entirely from the game. Sound like a "moderate carebear" to you?


Asking as a miner (I do love my rocks..).. is there a reason you believe this?


Because mining is a mindless unchallenging activity that encourages AFK and botting, because mining is solely responsible for the generalized deflation in Eve, and because miners have no social engagement with the game, and turn Eve into a boring and static place. It's just an absolute disaster in every possible way, and I'd like to see a whole lot more miners blowing up, as opposed to giving them brick tanked skiffs so now they can really go AFK safely.

Remember when I called you a CODE alt?

Wow, that post! :O


Not disagreeing though, although I am no fan of blowing up miners anyway.

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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#194 - 2014-09-14 21:14:01 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
I think mining barges should have much less tank and should be exploding right and left, and even better I'd like for mining to be tossed entirely from the game. Sound like a "moderate carebear" to you?
Yep. An extreme carebear thinks everything should be mining, and for a non-carebear the above goes without saying.

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Tyra Falco
Glasgow Kiss Enterprises
#195 - 2014-09-14 21:17:40 UTC
Dose OP realize that by creating this thread, he has just painted a massive target on his own back.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#196 - 2014-09-14 21:19:33 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:


Because mining is a mindless unchallenging activity that encourages AFK and botting, because mining is solely responsible for the generalized deflation in Eve, and because miners have no social engagement with the game, and turn Eve into a boring and static place. It's just an absolute disaster in every possible way, and I'd like to see a whole lot more miners blowing up, as opposed to giving them brick tanked skiffs so now they can really go AFK safely.


Deflation is a bad thing? I don't understand..

I think the rest of your statement is about mining in hisec. I agree all ore (except for tutorial missions) should be moved out of hisec.


The problem with deflation is it drives up Plex prices and devalues all of our current stuff. Mining in low/null is def better though I would like to see changes to force miners to be at the keyboard. Maybe buffed up rats that would force them to bring a combat escort would help.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#197 - 2014-09-14 21:22:11 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:

Remember when I called you a CODE alt?

Wow, that post! :O


Not disagreeing though, although I am no fan of blowing up miners anyway.


The diff of course is that CODE doesn't want to stop mining, they just want to extort 10 mil for a permit. Also, they make loony claims that incursions/missions can be done AFK, and demand that everyone in highsec buy their worthless permits. Also, I don't necessarily advocate blowing up miners (though I do think their ships should get mega-nerfed), and I'd much prefer that people try to engage them and involve them in more enjoyable parts of the game. A lot of them mine only because they don't know how to do anything else.
Hiply Rustic
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#198 - 2014-09-14 21:25:03 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
malcovas Henderson wrote:


eh??

What you on about?

You STATED incentive to make profit ganking more common. Yet want to remove the potially biggest profit margin mechanic.

Sounds like a nerf scream to me.....




No, I want to remove an unrealistic and unwarranted ability for cheap gank ships to kill large combat ships. That has nothing to do with adjusting the risk/reward for ganking ships with a lot of loot to drop v. with little to no loot to drop


Enough already.

Tell you what; you take the Battleship New Jersey, without her escort fleet. I'll take 20 wooden-hulled PT boats captained by suicidal skippers. You do the cost-benefit analysis and get back to me, but your ship is going to the bottom.

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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#199 - 2014-09-14 21:26:53 UTC
Closing anti-ganking thread 2112.

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