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John Ratcliffe Tradors'R'us IChooseYou Alliance Likes received: 293	#1 - 2014-09-12 17:28:40 UTC I am after a Bhaalgorn fit to be used in a small gang. It will be in a chain with two Guardians. I've had a look on BC, but the ones with any rating are quite old. TIA. Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

Antillie Sa'Kan

Imperial Shipment

Amarr Empire

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#2 - 2014-09-12 18:31:30 UTC | Edited by: Antillie Sa'Kan

The purpose of a Bhaalgorn is to suck your opponents dry with NOS. It has no business being in a Guardian cap chain.

Guardians rely on speed/sig to stay alive. The 76km range they get on remote capacitor modules makes this possible. A Bhaalgorn does not get this kind of range and putting one in the cap chain would force all your Guardians to stay within 9km of the Bhaalgorn and severely limit their mobility.

John Ratcliffe

Tradors'R'us

IChooseYou Alliance

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#3 - 2014-09-12 18:42:22 UTC | Edited by: John Ratcliffe

Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:

No Bhaalgorn fit I've seen uses NOS. They either use a mixture of Lasers and Neuts or all Neuts. The Guardians need to give the Bhaalgorn cap to keep the Neuts working. If that isn't the same as being part of the chain then I've misunderstood and that's fair enough.

I still need a fit for the Bhaalgorn.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

Paranoid Loyd

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#4 - 2014-09-12 18:55:58 UTC | Edited by: Paranoid Loyd

They changed the Blood Raider ships with the release of Kronos:

Energy Vampires fitted to this ship will drain targeted ship's capacitor regardless of your own capacitor level

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

John Ratcliffe

Tradors'R'us

IChooseYou Alliance

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#5 - 2014-09-12 19:12:56 UTC

Paranoid Loyd wrote:

They changed the Blood Raider ships with the release of Kronos:

Energy Vampires fitted to this ship will drain targeted ship's capacitor regardless of your own capacitor level

I have read that myself - your post isn't helping.

My understanding is that NOS won't reduce a target cap below your own cap. Given the aim is to completely empty the cap, I still need Neuts.

This would be so much easier if someone who had a clue what a modern Bhaalgorn fit should look like posted a fit as requested in the OP.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

Antillie Sa'Kan

Imperial Shipment

Amarr Empire

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#6 - 2014-09-12 19:15:17 UTC | Edited by: Antillie Sa'Kan

John Ratcliffe wrote:

As you pointed out, the fits you have seen are old. Bhaalgorn NOS always drain cap now no matter what, even if the target only has 1 cap and your cap is full. Its the old OP NOS of days gone by. Off the top of my head:

[Bhaalgorn, Nom Nom Nom]

1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Warp Disruptor II
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script

Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I
Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I
Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I

Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I

Acolyte II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Berserker II x4

If you aren't going to have logi with you then blood raider ships can make scary active tanks fed by NOS. Such as:

[Ashimmu, Vampire]

Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Medium Armor Repairer II
Reactive Armor Hardener
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Scrambler II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I

Valkyrie II x3
Hornet II x2


John Ratcliffe Tradors'R'us IChooseYou Alliance Likes received: 293	#7 - 2014-09-12 19:42:21 UTC Thanks for that Antillie. I've just tried that fit now on a friend's BS. It works, but it's quite slow to drain compared to 7 Neuts. I tried a combination of Neuts/NOS and that was OK, but I'm going to have to play around with it some more. Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

Aerie Evingod

Midwest Miners LLC

Likes received: 176

#8 - 2014-09-12 19:53:19 UTC | Edited by: Aerie Evingod

John Ratcliffe wrote:

Paranoid Loyd wrote:

They changed the Blood Raider ships with the release of Kronos:

Energy Vampires fitted to this ship will drain targeted ship's capacitor regardless of your own capacitor level

Ummm... What's confusing? NOS on blood raider ships don't care about your or your targets cap level. In other words it's a neut that doesn't require cap to activate.

Kosetzu

The Black Crow Bandits

Northern Coalition.

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#9 - 2014-09-12 20:51:39 UTC

You should only ever fit max 2 NOS or so on a Bhaalgorn as their cap drain on the enemy is a lot lower than neuts still, and as a Bhaalgorn you want to cap them out, not dilly around waiting for them to become helpless, as you can bet they won't just sit there and let you cap them out.

NOS is good to keep on a target that is out of cap to have a free drain on him to keep him mostly capped out while applying your neuts to other targets that still have cap. I still find it better to just go all out with neuts, even more so when being fed cap. You're not there to deal damage, you're there to cripple them.

Danny John-Peter

Blue Canary

Watch This

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#10 - 2014-09-12 21:49:09 UTC

Christ.

This thread.

If you have a Guardian chain you should be full neut fit; this is my relatively cheap fit.

[Bhaalgorn, Deep Throat]
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Centus C-Type Armor Explosive Hardener
Centus C-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener
Centus C-Type Armor Thermic Hardener
Damage Control II
Corelum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane

Gist A-Type 100MN Afterburner
True Sansha Heavy Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 800
True Sansha Heavy Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 800
Ship Scanner II
Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I

Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Large Trimark Armor Pump II
Large Trimark Armor Pump II
Large Anti-EM Pump II

Warrior II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
Garde II x4

Don't DPS fit Bhaals in gangs, its a waste.

John Ratcliffe

Tradors'R'us

IChooseYou Alliance

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#11 - 2014-09-12 22:25:43 UTC

Danny John-Peter wrote:

Nice. That's not a million miles away from the fit I am using. If you felt inclined to spend more ISK on that, where would you do it?

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

Gh0stBust3rs

Templars HIghsec

Stellar Fusion

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#12 - 2014-09-12 22:59:12 UTC

John Ratcliffe wrote:

Danny John-Peter wrote:

Nice. That's not a million miles away from the fit I am using. If you felt inclined to spend more ISK on that, where would you do it?

Higher level resists and faction nuets would be my bet.

Chainsaw Plankton

FaDoyToy

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#13 - 2014-09-13 05:30:17 UTC

TS Heavy nos -210 cap every 10 sec, or 21cap/s, TS heavy neut -1050 cap every 24 sec for -43.75 cap/s

If you have guardians feeding you cap fit the neuts! maybe fit a defensive nos for your hardeners. The fit posted looks pretty good, I'd probably just go all Trimarks and then throw an EM hardener in your cargo as you might want to refit depending on the situation.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Lugia3

Federal Navy Academy

Gallente Federation

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#14 - 2014-09-13 05:59:13 UTC

Gh0stBust3rs wrote:

John Ratcliffe wrote:

Danny John-Peter wrote:

Nice. That's not a million miles away from the fit I am using. If you felt inclined to spend more ISK on that, where would you do it?

Higher level resists and faction nuets would be my bet.

And HG slaves.

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik


Danny John-Peter Blue Canary Watch This Likes received: 579	#15 - 2014-09-13 11:07:40 UTC Pretty much what everybody else said in regards to dropping extra isk.

Bobert Dole

Motiveless Malignity

Deepwater Hooligans

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#16 - 2014-09-13 11:16:53 UTC

Lugia3 wrote:

Gh0stBust3rs wrote:

John Ratcliffe wrote:

Danny John-Peter wrote:

Nice. That's not a million miles away from the fit I am using. If you felt inclined to spend more ISK on that, where would you do it?

Higher level resists and faction nuets would be my bet.

And HG slaves.

God no. Totally a HG-1005 but on a small gang bhaalgorn slot 1-6 is talismans4lyfe.

The faction nuet question is pretty iffy. They add a pretty large % to the price so if you're neuting caps at close range they aren't the best, but if you are trying to crack a guardian chain or something then the range is a great boon.

This also ties into the MWD/AB question, since ABs are obviously better for dodging blap but a double plated double trimarked AB bhaal is never, ever, ever going to get close enough to lock down any support.

I also think that a long range web can be very useful, especially in a small sub fight, though with only 2 guardians the second cap booster could be better.

It already has a pretty good buffer for the small engagments expected and with limited cap (IE no triage) I might like to see a port egress rig.

Anyone who dps fits their bhaalgorn deserves to lose it.

Also not sure I'd drop the dollah bill on the deadspace eanm, though I'd likely go b-type at least on the active hardeners.

FeedingMachine Good Sax 386
Domino Vyse FeedingMachine Good Sax Likes received: 386	#17 - 2014-09-13 12:15:56 UTC 1 If you need help to fit a Bhaalgorn, I suggest flying an Armageddon


Chainsaw Plankton FaDoyToy Likes received: 3,263	#18 - 2014-09-14 03:53:11 UTC Domino Vyse wrote: If you need help to fit a Bhaalgorn, I suggest flying an Armageddon not a bad suggestion @ChainsawPlankto on twitter

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