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ISO Passive-shield BS w/ toredoes and bonused light and medium drones.

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#21 - 2014-09-15 19:59:31 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Because passive tanking is inefficient? And Cruise missiles tend to be better than torpedoes for many reasons?

Seriously though...
read up quote pyramid. I was addressing something different from the OP.

Edit: as for the OP himself... he/she is asking for something ludicrously specific (see: OP basically wants to old Rattlesnake so he/she can use light/medium drones supported by light/medium utility drones while throwing torpedoes at everything) and refuses to alter any detail of his/her playstyle.

As for why I have no sympathy... the OP has been complaining about this for MONTHS and just won't let up. It's like watching a person complain about how a house door has been moved a little to the left and has a nifty handle instead of a knob... yet considers it "useless" because it isn't exactly like the old door.
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#22 - 2014-09-16 14:20:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Zan Shiro
op since rattler is not gonna roll back and not many any other options....


have you even tried active tank rattler? I found the switch nice. Lose that LSE, SPR and whatever combo of CDFE/Purge you liked and that sig radius reduction might work out better.

With the light and medium focus you will be moving around a bit I imagine so you get some attempt at sig tanking with your speed tank. As best as a BS (not a mach bs lol) can do this anyway. You should see incoming missile damage drop at least. Passive rattler gets hit harder for sure. At some point your aren't even burst tanking that much really when incoming dps starts to get cut down.


And with the lost SPR's you can split BCU and DDA. While not your old bonus...them lights and mediums will hit pretty hard still with DDA and I am assuming high skills.

Or come in at range and blap the frigates. They fly in straight, ergo they melt even to bouncer at range if you did nothing much to fix tracking.

Since you like torps not having what I am guessing was the usual 2/1 split of purger and cdfe you got the room for the missile range rigs.


You can find a few 3 slot rattler tanks, decent ones, that will even get the room for 2 paints of so desired. Not tanky enough go 4 slots and see what mids you can drop. Passive rattler was not much on room for paint to begin with...again active might be up your alley here.


Seems you don't like change, don't know that history. But barring a surprise ship later this month...time to let it go is looking real good about now.
Kyoko Onzo
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#23 - 2014-09-17 15:31:11 UTC
Considering the relatively low price of Rattlers (in comparison to the other pirate BS's) and their capabilities; it's still a very nice ship. Time for the OP to let things go, or maybe I should start whining to get the old hurricanes back....
NoLife NoFriends StillPosting
Doomheim
#24 - 2014-09-17 16:53:12 UTC  |  Edited by: NoLife NoFriends StillPosting
Kyoko Onzo wrote:
Considering the relatively low price of Rattlers (in comparison to the other pirate BS's) and their capabilities; it's still a very nice ship. Time for the OP to let things go, or maybe I should start whining to get the old hurricanes back....


I am letting things go. I've chosen not to renew my sub that expires at the end of this year.

I spent a lot of time training for the Rattlesnake because that is the play style that I wanted. Apparently, there is no other ship that supports that unique play style that was taken away from the Rattlesnake.

Changing the Rattlesnake so drastically, removing so much of its versatility when it was not considered OP was an extremely callous way to treat your customers. I am saddened and greatly disappointed by the unnecessary removal of this unique playstyle that I had set out to master over 3 years ago.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#25 - 2014-09-17 17:06:20 UTC
NoLife NoFriends StillPosting wrote:

I am letting things go. I've chosen not to renew my sub.


Just when I thought I wouldn't see any good news today.

Flying a ship incorrectly (whether it's the old Rattler or the new) isn't a 'playstyle'. Even if it was, CCP doesn't owe you anything.

In 7 years i've played CCP has changed every single ship I fly (they took my Machariel's missiles darn them). I keep flying them because I like flying them and I make them work ,even if the way is different from before.

EVE is about change, sometimes changes you will not like (though not liking the kick ass beast known as 'Rattlesnake' is just insane) If a change to EVE makes you unsub, you probably shouldn't have chosen This game in the 1st place.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#26 - 2014-09-17 17:34:00 UTC
NoLife NoFriends StillPosting wrote:

I am letting things go. I've chosen not to renew my sub.


Best thing you've posted, ever.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#27 - 2014-09-17 17:59:20 UTC
NoLife NoFriends StillPosting wrote:


I am letting things go. I've chosen not to renew my sub.



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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#28 - 2014-09-17 18:06:01 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
NoLife NoFriends StillPosting wrote:


I am letting things go. I've chosen not to renew my sub.



_o/\o/\o_<------this is jonah jen and i right now

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Kyoko Onzo
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#29 - 2014-09-17 18:11:36 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
NoLife NoFriends StillPosting wrote:

I am letting things go. I've chosen not to renew my sub.


Just when I thought I wouldn't see any good news today.

Flying a ship incorrectly (whether it's the old Rattler or the new) isn't a 'playstyle'. Even if it was, CCP doesn't owe you anything.

In 7 years i've played CCP has changed every single ship I fly (they took my Machariel's missiles darn them). I keep flying them because I like flying them and I make them work ,even if the way is different from before.

EVE is about change, sometimes changes you will not like (though not liking the kick ass beast known as 'Rattlesnake' is just insane) If a change to EVE makes you unsub, you probably shouldn't have chosen This game in the 1st place.



Can't reinforce this enough. Every single ship I've loved from when I started playing (I rolled Matar for muninns 7 years ago, how you think I feel) is now different (actually the Muninn really isn't, still just a flying rack of Artys with a paper thin tank - but /tornado). So if you're quitting over changes to one ship (which everyone still loves btw) the problem is not ccp, it's you and was always you.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#30 - 2014-09-17 18:19:17 UTC
Kyoko Onzo wrote:
So if you're quitting over changes to one ship (which everyone still loves btw) the problem is not ccp, it's you and was always you.


If I had to guess, I'd say that 90% of things people complain about on forums (or hell, in general) is really personal failings/quirks that they are trying to blame on something external.
Iain Cariaba
#31 - 2014-09-17 18:24:59 UTC
NoLife NoFriends StillPosting wrote:
… unique playstyle that I had set out to master over 3 years ago.

Wow, it took you 3 years to train up to a Rattlesnake? Maybe you truly are better off in a game that doesn't require you to do difficult things. Things like planning and thinking.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#32 - 2014-09-17 18:26:58 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
NoLife NoFriends StillPosting wrote:
… unique playstyle that I had set out to master over 3 years ago.

Wow, it took you 3 years to train up to a Rattlesnake? Maybe you truly are better off in a game that doesn't require you to do difficult things. Things like planning and thinking.

or setting a skill queue
Kyoko Onzo
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#33 - 2014-09-17 19:28:28 UTC
Ok since I'm receiving hate mail from op claiming the old rattler was unique let me just say this: It wasn't and isn't. It's called a fleet phoon. Fleet phoon does great missile dps, can shield tank, and can field flights of lights, meds, and sentries. Wanting a ship that is bonused for all three of those things (2 full weapon systems and tank) is obscene and in fact IS a pve pwnmobile (hence stupidly op). I have a Mach for pve, it does stupid dps, but frigs are a pain to deal with, but I adapted. Op wants a ship that's easy mode for everything thrown at him and is being a child that he can't have EVERYTHING bonused anymore. Fly a phoon, it fits what he wants to do, it just isn't bonused for it all, god forbid he has to adapt.

OP is no better than those who complain about drone boats but refuse to target and shoot drones but instead expect ccp to tailor the game to fit what they want. People love the rattler for pve, it's still a great ship it's just no longer uber at everything so a player just has to sit there drooling on himself type easy.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#34 - 2014-09-17 20:59:22 UTC
I have seen this discussion before I would think. Oh yes, I moderated it personally, multiple times. It lead to nothing but more rule breaking posts.

To avoid that, I'm locking this thread.

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