Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Destroying poco is 40m mail kill a pos is like 200m kill mail ,grinding system is like no kill mails and week of work. Destroying lvl 5 upgrades is few bilions and week of upgrading you see the diffrence ? It force reactions. Small alliances and new one that can make some strategic goals and campaigns. AFK cloaker do nothing if im in deployment in south and in north are 500 afk cloakers in each system so what ?.

"You really think people will shoot through 30 million Hp worth of structure for a lousy kill mail?"

No for tears from renters and ratters and alliances that need to rebuild it.

Sure, let's bash a structure in null for around 30 minutes in case the owner care enough to shed some tears instead of just replacing it and restarting normal operation...

If a small alliance decided to harass fcon by blowing up an ihub, are you honestly saying that your leadership would not drop on them every time they started, smash literally every asset they had in space, call in the rest of the CFC to do the same, and generally make life hell for them?

As has been asked five or six times now, WHO IS GOING TO DO THIS?

If you are a small group and want to harass a big one, blops drop their ratters. Roam their space and kill people. Third party on their fights. Pipebomb fleets. Get spies in and act on whatever info you can receive. Awox. Siphon moons. Chase stragglers, gank ratters, roam, camp gates and JBs, AFK cloak, the list goes on.

Nothing on that list involves sitting in space for a large amount of time, shooting a structure with millions of EHP, while waving a giant 'please hotdrop us' flag around.

Fcon has 3000+ members. TNT is over 2400. If there were multiple small groups that could overwhelm either of our alliances, or SMA's 2k, or FA's 2.5k, they wouldn't be hitting pointless system upgrades. If there were ten forces hitting the CFC that required full deployments to fight, the ones we didn't deploy to would be taking the regions.

Tech moons are not hard to find. Dotlan has a list, pasta (I think?) leaked a list years ago, there are others around as well. They're also not actually worth the money a lot of people think they are.

Can you really call something harassment if it involves sitting in space with a fleet of fifty guys for half an hour, and praying you don't get noticed?

Gank enough AFKtars and someone is going to notice. Please note, however, that I did not list killing AFK ishtars as the only way to harass an alliance. I will repeat myself, just for you.



One AFKtar might not get notices, but what about a ratting carrier? Or a pipebomb that destroys most of a fleet? or a blops drop that kills a blinged to hell tengu? Or one of those suicidal cap/super pilots camping JBs to ruin jump freighters? Or gatecamps popping in after the main body of a fleet has moved through to kill anyone trying to catch up, or run away?

Please note as well that just because you have deployed elsewhere does NOT mean people aren't using their home space. Alts, jumpclones and people who simply couldn't be bothered to deploy all exist, and people always need to make the ISK to replace their stuff of plex their account.


Now, in light of all this, can you explain how shooting a huge all of structure HP is ever going to be a thing that people want to do more of?

Why is it hard for you to understand that shooting a massive wall of EHP in the hopes that you don't get dropped on, lose everything you own and with an end result of maybe making someone move to the system next door is not going to be a popular option?

Danika Princip ok best scenario you destroy 100b of rating ships and 3b in pipe bombing (it requaire spy , titan and not all are rooks nad kings ) what hit get alliance? : 1.5b srp for that fleet and some crying carebears ? IF it is renting empire: thay dont get any hit at all only risk free rent money ? Once thay upgrade system thay don`t need to manage defend it PL hold with 3k people 1/4 of null becouse of lack of that need. If those 10 alliances go hit infrastruture of PL it bring war of attrition holding that big of space woundt be managable. Thay will start geting rising system repair costs and renters complain that thay pay for lvl 5 not lvl 4 systems.

And that hp grind whine its eve 7 carriers have that amount of hp or 200 Apocs. or 100 proteus brick tanked. and it isnt matter of hp it could be 10mln hp (not 30 like medium pos) or scaling with lvl. Its matter of idea and need to protect systems not only take them.

So what is the reason to get that fun fight atm? we have plenty tytan pos r64 safe StratOP someone put it to reinforce and didnt get hotdroped.. and if you start shooting that and got hotdroped you have instant fun fight that you all want ?


You want fun fight and all i hear is no one will shoot becouse we got hot droped and get fight or someone come fight us.

If we shoot and thay dont show up you make them go system next door and if thay show up we get fight so its win win situation


Why there is stagnation in null becouse there is no reason to fight Alliance leadership care only about isk becouse money give you srp and srp give you members that want pvp for free.

Why people dont shoot Poses pocos becouse it is worh 300mln and its stupid to risk 10b fleet to destroy 300mln but to destroy 3b upgrade and week of repair is reason to try and reason to defend and reasons give you fun fights.. NOT WISHFULL THINKING THAT I ONLY WANT FUN FIGHTS.



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