Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Null sec should offer unique type of gameplay in New Eden. It should provide opportunities for both small gang pvp and large fleet engagements, empire builders and pirates, industrialists and researchers. Sovereignty is the defining feature of null sec and, in my opinion new sov system should provide rich, deep and engaging experience to all players. It should be more than waiting for pings, timers and blobbing the the hell out of enemy. A lot of people are repeating words like "sov by occupation" and "farms and fields".Below is my proposal for re-designing null sec sov. Farms and fields take the form of deadspace colonies. In my proposal the player is not a farmer but an overseer and protector.

1) sov is achieved by controlling majority of deadspace colonies in a given system

2) Colonies have "timed vulnerability" - owner of the system selects when they can be attacked (eg. 18.00 - 24.00 eve time- 6 her period) to prevent tz ping-pong

3) colonies have a limited amount oh HP (200k shield,2mil armour and structure for small, 500k/5mil for medium 1m/10m for large) to allow small gangs to harassment. Depending of their type they manufacture various goods for the owner. Mining colonies produce compressed ore, research colonies produce datacores, etc.

4) attacking Sov:

- raiding - you take out colony shields, than you have short timer (10 min for small, 15min for medium 20min for large)during which you must remain on the grid. If the colony is not secured by defenders after the timer you are free to loot it, and owner takes a small hit to this colony's allegiance, and colony goes into reinforced mode for 24h (it can still be assaulted).
- assault - you take out shield and launch boarding parties. Than you have short timer (20min for small, 25min for medium, 30min for large) if uncontested the owner takes a huge hit to colony allegiance, possibly flipping it to your side. Boarding parties are npc clone soldiers, they are launched in breaching pods from a new high slot module. Module requires 50cpu, 150 pg, so it can fit on a cruiser, transport ship and up. Breaching pods have 20k ehp, and are destructable during assault process. If defender clears breaching pods the timer resets. After successful assault colony goes into reinforced mode for 24h.
- destruction - scorched earth tactics, you proceed to destroy the colony and kill all of it's inhabitants. Functions the same as with POS, with armour and structure timers. Should give a huge negative standings hit to all involved(if colonists were Caldari this action should make you an outlaw in Caldari space).
- colony has a max number of allegiance points based on it's size S:100, M:150, L:200. Successful raid reduces those by 10, assault by 40. If as a result of assault this goes to negative colony switches owners. NPC colony agent issues level 1-5 mission, completing those missions grant allegiance points to colony owner based on 0.5xlvl of mission. You cannot gain more than 5 points per day this way. Well managed colonies should passively gain allegiance points, while mis-managed/abandoned ones should loose them.

In my system it will be really easy to take abandoned systems(no more than 30 min for a well organised gang), but taking one that is actively defended will be hard even if you have superior force. Defenders can simply use suicide destroyers / bombers / tornados / bad language, to kill breaching pods, and slow your progress.

5) Colonies:

After finding a suitable site (Jove artefact site, huge asteroid rich with ore etc.) Player anchors colony control centre, shortly after colonists build first deadspace gate. Control centre provides minimal habitation, and production facilities. In order for colony to grow players should anchor other modules to cater to colonists needs, providing habitation, workplaces, leisure centres etc.. Those structures are invulnerable if colony cotrol centre is active, if control centre has been destroyed they have small amount of hp and are easy to clean.

Going into invulnerable mode means diverting all power to shields, shutting down acceleration gates and all non-essential systems, therefore colony and all of it's services factories etc.. Are only active when the colony is vulnerable. Minimum amount of time required to maintain functionality is 4 hours per day. The more active colony is the more efficient are the production facilities. With 4 hours you have 50% 8h -100%, 16h - 150% efficiency 24 h - 200 % efficiency. This means that 1 colony active for 24 hours produces as much as 22 colonies active for 4 hours. An average system with 5 fully developed colonies active 24/7 should produce around 25 Bil worth of goods per month.

There should be finite amount of people willing to settle in dangerous area of space at any given time, and this should provide a hard cap on colony income. More attractive colonies (safer, more open, with better infrastructure) will attract immigration from worse colonies. While system openness provides efficiency bonuses, population provides necessary workforce.

This is just the basic proposal. Imagine what happens when you start to deal with different government systems, attracting npc corporations and agents, dealing with population unrests, possible revolts as a result of mismanagement, possible dust/legion integration etc.
It is also much more fun to fight for an asteroid mining colony or a Jovian excavation site than for a flagpole#4542.
Any constructive comments welcome. If you like the proposal feel free to send me ISK(I will unfortunately not double it).

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Try this. Sov structure ehps are directly proportional to system sov level. Define system sov level by activity. Unused afk systems should be able to be claimed by small bands of pilots whereas flagship systems that should be very difficult to capture.

Force projection is a pain, but if your minor unused systems can be taken by cruiser fleets anytime, you are forced to decide where and when to use that projection.

Another possible solution is put a jump drive cool down timer like you have for micro jump drive - and continue the timer regardless of docking. If a dread can't jump for five minutes after jumping, it commits the pilot to their destination and it slows down force projection, forcing coalitions to decide what to defend. Apply same time to black ops and titans as well. A titan can project a force every five minutes max, stragglers be screwes.

So if it was harder to jump capital ships you are saying you would use them more often?

Perhaps using your caps wisely and adapt to the enemy you are fighting?



So you are bridging around a lot? Since I am sure as hell taking a lot of gates whenever I travel. If you are complaining about the fact that you are stupid enough to run into a pipe of systems and the enemy is waiting for you at the end of that pipe...well, that is up to your lack of using the terrain to your advantage (that is, learn to use the map).



Wholeheartedly agreeing to this. I dislike the existing SOV warfare mechanics but the defensive SBUing is that added boring layer that cements the positions of the blocs.



If there were no timers the SOV warfare would turn into RISK where the currently active superarmy rolls over a gazillion systems; and then 12h later the opposing superarmy rolls over the same systems to regain them. Would just cause a massive headache and would not actually benefit the small organizations a bit.



No, most our area is not undefended 99% of the time. We are even "defending" NPC null as you are clearly aware of.

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The enemy like in any war should have to choose where to place defensive fleets....and by that choice leave areas weak for attack.

Thats not the case now... they are equally positioned to defend everywhere.

I dont think "the alpha" wrecking ball ect is the issue.... the issue is the wrecking ball can be anywhere and everywhere instantly. Especially since they know when and where the timers will be.

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No fleet can be everywhere at the same time...
Perhaps attack the enemy at several points at the same time; then for the next timer you can play distraction games/bait the enemy into defending the wrong timer. Going for a single point of attack makes it easy to defend.

First of nullsec would be in a much better place if PVE scaled like in any other MMO out there you know? In eve you get punished for team activity at least as far as null sec is concerned. Go shooting NPC's in anomalies with more then 2 people guess what? You earn less does that make sense? I mean this is an MMO yet it pushes people towards solo play as far as PVE content is concerned.

My suggestion scale anomalies the more people warp in the bigger the waves that spawn. Obviously that ratio of how much more spawns would need to be worked out but that should be a simple task. Yes this leaves it open to be "abused" with alts but that happens anyway by simply doing multiple anomalies at once already so it really does not make a difference.

Next thing is mining the ratio between low minerals (Trit, Pry, Mex, Iso) and high minerals ( Nox, Zyd, Meg) needs to be changed in nullsec. Cut the high mineral supply in half double or triple the low mineral supply. Due to the current ratio mining is simply not worth doing anymore. The oversupply combined with the industry changes destroyed the high mineral market making mining the worst PVE activity in the game.


Next up sov.. first of no more defensive SBU's that stuff is simply stupid and borderline exploit. Either fix it or simply completely remove SBU's the idea that you need to wait 3 hours before you can RF something and then the defender gets a timer is dumb. I don't think sbu's are needed at all.

Timers.. a system should not be able to get 4 timers because it has a station and a ihub every system should have 2 and thats it. If a system has a station the station gets the timers if a system only got an ihub the ihub gets the timers.

If a system has a station and a ihub the ihub simply follows into RF when the station enters RF. Ihub is destroyed when station switches owner after final RF.

Also no more installing of upgrades when an ihub is in reinforce it allows the defender to install cyno jammers after the fact which is pretty stupid. Right now the mechanics simply give to many advantages to the defender.

People who insist on attacking individual CCP members fail to appreciate that often those members (Fozzie for example) are the public face of a larger group. Insisting upon pouring your hate and derision on one individual is counter productive.

We have all had reasons to be upset about various changes CCP has been making. My disappointment came about with various elements in Odyssey. What I am interested in is the overall health of the game and not just one element of it. After all if the game as a whole does not grow then that single element will not matter; the game will shut down.

Finally, insisting on leveling personal attacks on CCP simply demonstrates a closed minded vision of any possible growth. I encourage the various posters that believe personal attacks and negative feedback as being constructive rethink your approach. You simply do yourself a disservice in the eyes of many that contribute to the forums not to mention CCP.

Just remove sov altogether.

If you really live in your space, then no one is going to build a cap there without you knowing it, no one will be taking your resources without you knowing it. And if you can't stop them from doing so, then you don't really have "sov" over it do you? Having no sov is actually the same as all the bottom up sov ideas, but without all the artificial hoops to fly through just to have your name on a map.

Personal attacks aside. If one is paid to be the face of a group, it would be reasonable to expect to get some rotten tomato on ones face when things go horribly wrong. Are you suggesting that we the good citizens of eve should just accept dookie from above and sit quietly? Humanity has a long history of shooting messengers. If a dude signs up for messanger duty (esp in a video game forum) then I think it's reasonable to see this sort of thing coming.

If you go back to that discussion you will see that several of us WARNED ccp about that effect.

A little more on my "may moon goo deplete" crusade.

Every 8-12 months you deplete the goo deposit on a given moon. (you can make it time based or resource based - 3 tons and your done so to speak). Once depleted a new deposit becomes available for discovery. Woot, get your scanners and go prospecting.

Make the respaw point totally random. The new deposit isn't bound by constellation or even region. If just goes to a random moon somewhere.

The joy of prospecting. Say you're a monster blue donut trying to preserve your moon goo fountain... good freakin luck. Your vast holdings would take weeks to completely survey, so you'll have to pay trusted folks to spend countless boring hours finding the new deposits.

The other joy of prospecting. You're a little guy that holds 3 systems. Every tuesday you and the guys spend 2 hours to resurvey all the moons you control. Not that big a deal considering what you could gain. Woot you found super goo on your moon. What to do??? What to do???? You check your rental agreement and provision #2 clearly states that all goo deposits of X value or better must be reported to your overlords. Hmmmm.... what to do.... what to do. You can be a good pubbie (that's what they call you btw) and report isk fountain to your overlord and give away the gold...... OR...... set up a stealth mining op and suck that bugger dry - playing the odds that big daddy is just a bit too big to find it in time. Either way you get a ton of isk until you get caught.

Key point. Keep moon goo out of the api stuff. You need to launch a probe to find it, not sort a data dump.


OMG... this would cause players to be (dare I use the word 'forced') to actually interact with the game to get stuff. It would take one of the more valuable resources in the game and make it little guy accessable.

Double dog dare Fozzy.... Double dog dare.