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Pre-CSM Summit Nullsec and Sov Thread

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Stork DK
#821 - 2014-10-02 16:16:44 UTC
disabling clone-taxi leads to inability to fast moving low-sp cyno characters for jump freighters. CCP, please, disable jump clones only for high-sp characters or do something to our low-sp cyno characters will not be affected. thanks.
NIKSHPIL16
Alfa Corporation
Fanatic Legion.
#822 - 2014-10-02 16:19:23 UTC
Stork DK wrote:
disabling clone-taxi leads to inability to fast moving low-sp cyno characters for jump freighters. CCP, please, disable jump clones only for high-sp characters or do something to our low-sp cyno characters will not be affected. thanks.

SASAI LALKA
Ninteen Seventy-Nine
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#823 - 2014-10-02 16:20:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Ninteen Seventy-Nine
baltec1 wrote:

So I take it you missed the part where CCP said that occupational sov is on the way too?


This is something everyone has wanted to see. I advised it would be useless and meaningless unless there was a power projection nerf to accompany.

You argued the exact opposite.
~damage control~

baltec1 wrote:

Good luck getting through our space in slow bulky haulers and not get noticed.


I think the exact point of most of these changes is: Who said anything was supposed to be easy?

Grayscale has been abundantly clear on this.

As for what's "your" space and what isn't, if I were you, I'd take a few pictures of the map now for posterity. Blink

"The unending paradox is that we do learn through pain."
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#824 - 2014-10-02 16:36:48 UTC
Ninteen Seventy-Nine wrote:


As for what's "your" space and what isn't, if I were you, I'd take a few pictures of the map now for posterity. Blink


This wont be changing our borders. I have already figured out how to get a dreadnought to roam as fast as a cruiser fleet moves and keep it combat effective. Carriers are also rather simple to alter to have them move as fast as a battleship fleet and pack the needed punch.
Ninteen Seventy-Nine
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#825 - 2014-10-02 16:43:41 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Ninteen Seventy-Nine wrote:


As for what's "your" space and what isn't, if I were you, I'd take a few pictures of the map now for posterity. Blink


This wont be changing our borders. I have already figured out how to get a dreadnought to roam as fast as a cruiser fleet moves and keep it combat effective. Carriers are also rather simple to alter to have them move as fast as a battleship fleet and pack the needed punch.


Good for you.
We were all really worried for a minute Roll

Your mouth to God's ears.
(or in your case, I suppose that would be 'your mouth to Mittanis ears' Lol )

Something tells me you'll just be backtracking and damage controlling all over the forums after you lose a chunk of allies and space, just like you're doing now.

"The unending paradox is that we do learn through pain."
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#826 - 2014-10-02 16:44:50 UTC
Ninteen Seventy-Nine wrote:
just like you're doing now.


Citation please.
Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#827 - 2014-10-02 17:03:55 UTC
Ninteen Seventy-Nine wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Ninteen Seventy-Nine wrote:


As for what's "your" space and what isn't, if I were you, I'd take a few pictures of the map now for posterity. Blink


This wont be changing our borders. I have already figured out how to get a dreadnought to roam as fast as a cruiser fleet moves and keep it combat effective. Carriers are also rather simple to alter to have them move as fast as a battleship fleet and pack the needed punch.


Good for you.
We were all really worried for a minute Roll

Your mouth to God's ears.
(or in your case, I suppose that would be 'your mouth to Mittanis ears' Lol )

Something tells me you'll just be backtracking and damage controlling all over the forums after you lose a chunk of allies and space, just like you're doing now.


I wonder what Greyscale will think of next when all the null-sec bashing in the world does not destroy the CFC and we still control half the map.

We will always go the extra mile to keep everyone else as slaves.

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Bl1SkR1N
13th HOUR
#828 - 2014-10-02 17:13:20 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Ninteen Seventy-Nine wrote:


As for what's "your" space and what isn't, if I were you, I'd take a few pictures of the map now for posterity. Blink


This wont be changing our borders. I have already figured out how to get a dreadnought to roam as fast as a cruiser fleet moves and keep it combat effective. Carriers are also rather simple to alter to have them move as fast as a battleship fleet and pack the needed punch.

And then one stop bubble comes and you will spend rest of the evening slowboating to the gate...

But I love how propaganda machine never stops :D
Macaya
Little Builders
#829 - 2014-10-02 18:17:53 UTC
Soo 500 > 1000 man fleet staging then moving gate to gate = the most boring lag. This is utterly fail and the moronic goons in here saying it changes nothing for them, are idiots....

I will be selling all my stuffs and just flying in low sec with my supers till they are all dead. Then selling chars till only one left.

Much needed = you do not fully understand whats happening right now.

This changes nothing in the sense, there will still be a mexican standoff between the super powers.

I just cancelled my rental apartment for Fanfest next year, game will be dead in 2 years due to poor vision.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#830 - 2014-10-02 18:43:52 UTC
Bl1SkR1N wrote:

And then one stop bubble comes and you will spend rest of the evening slowboating to the gate...

But I love how propaganda machine never stops :D


Because it is impossible to bounce to a cepter above the gate.
SFM Hobb3s
Perkone
Caldari State
#831 - 2014-10-02 18:52:16 UTC
Sov-Donut-aholics Anonymous: Stage 1: Denial.
Ninteen Seventy-Nine
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#832 - 2014-10-02 19:21:54 UTC
Amyclas Amatin wrote:

I wonder what Greyscale will think of next when all the null-sec bashing in the world does not destroy the CFC and we still control half the map.

We will always go the extra mile to keep everyone else as slaves.


He probably wont care because these changes have nothing to do with you, they are about good game mechanics.

Not that you could see that,
what with your head shoved so far up your wormhole and all...

"The unending paradox is that we do learn through pain."
SFM Hobb3s
Perkone
Caldari State
#833 - 2014-10-02 19:43:45 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Bl1SkR1N wrote:

And then one stop bubble comes and you will spend rest of the evening slowboating to the gate...

But I love how propaganda machine never stops :D


Because it is impossible to bounce to a cepter above the gate.


The good thing about it is the dread pilot can skill jcal to 5 while waiting to align back down to the gate. Each time you come across a bubbled system. And you'll be forced to kill all bubbles that are directly on gates too...unless you've found a way to make your phoenix' burn as fast as a cruiser to the gate.

I mean its possible sure, but, if you are really treating dreads to go with a cruiser fleet....well....any enemy cruiser fleet won't be having any trouble at all intercepting you. None at all.
D'Nurgle
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#834 - 2014-10-02 19:56:40 UTC
Please watch this informative video. Lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTHchH9VRh0
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#835 - 2014-10-02 20:12:57 UTC
SFM Hobb3s wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Bl1SkR1N wrote:

And then one stop bubble comes and you will spend rest of the evening slowboating to the gate...

But I love how propaganda machine never stops :D


Because it is impossible to bounce to a cepter above the gate.


The good thing about it is the dread pilot can skill jcal to 5 while waiting to align back down to the gate. Each time you come across a bubbled system. And you'll be forced to kill all bubbles that are directly on gates too...unless you've found a way to make your phoenix' burn as fast as a cruiser to the gate.

I mean its possible sure, but, if you are really treating dreads to go with a cruiser fleet....well....any enemy cruiser fleet won't be having any trouble at all intercepting you. None at all.


Its going to be for battleships mainly but it can do cruiser roams and lets face it, who is expecting a roaming dread.
Blackhole's Revenge
CareBear Gankers
#836 - 2014-10-02 20:46:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Blackhole's Revenge
I see what they are trying to do but gimping capital jump range/time isn't the way to do it.

Increase the known galaxy.
remove the stupid static r64 moons and put in mods that mine different types of minerals.
Ohh and did I mention expand the known galaxy.
Also remove this lame sov system and put back the old one, more POS = control.

You could easily make CPU and PWG costs of the moon mining mods reduce the capabilities of the POS making the mining ones more vulnerable and more costly to run. Plenty of other ideas besides making it take longer to jump a capital ship around space. Using the gates that's cool but this whole jump timer idea I don't dig.

The problem is the R64 moons and the way SOV is gained and loss. Time it takes to react or attack isn't.
SFM Hobb3s
Perkone
Caldari State
#837 - 2014-10-02 21:44:09 UTC
You would have far more timers, and far more grinding with the old pos system. I'm glad that's gone.
Now the reality sinks in: If you can't divide your forces and successfully defend multiple locations independantly, then something is gonna give.
Hellion Vlad
hotdropoclock Enterprises
#838 - 2014-10-02 23:16:55 UTC
Hellion Vlad wrote:
Hellion Vlad wrote:
It is about time to make it harder on the bigger coalitions ( out of game ), to stop the growth and enjoyment of smaller alliances.
Now its time to see who works as a team, and has what it takes to watch and maintain their space. It also will make the coalitions, work on diplo more and think about what space they want to defend. So high five CCP and keep up the work, on making this game grow and not stagnate and scare new pilots away.

Only Combat ships should be affected. Jump freighters and Rouquals should be left out or given the role bonus to make this not so bad. But stop the Crazy reach of combat fleets flying half way across Eden and doing whatever they like.

Don't listen to the QQ's they will come back. and you are making this a better game. The QQ's just want instant gratification. Make us earn what we have. Doing this opens it for the smaller alliances and will keep more new players that are trying to get SOV. There is so much unused space that only pads the wallets of people that do nothing but suck you dry.

JF should have a Low slot MOD to increase their jump range. Only for Freighter OR Rorq. this could be explained buy the size of the item. In real world combat ships have limited space, where as a freighter is nothing but . Just a Idea. Being ex-military your logistics are not affected by anything other then the enemy. So as long as you are willing to risk your freighters then so be it, where as your combat units are limited by mass fuel and other such logistics. Like I said just a idea.

CCP keep up the good work and moving in the right direction.

Sign, Hellion Vlad - .PEST for Life!


Bump


Bring the Fun !!! o7 keep it up CCP
orlando carlo
Dragron Riders Inc
#839 - 2014-10-02 23:55:32 UTC
I predict it is going to be an interesting winter. These changes are going to force the FC's to think tactics.
Hellion Vlad
hotdropoclock Enterprises
#840 - 2014-10-03 00:04:39 UTC
Kismeteer wrote:
Fix POS. Fix Null sec sov system. Fix the corporate management stuff.

This is beyond my scope and control, I just want eve to be stable. But consider firing more management that made bad investments that nearly made CCP go bankrupt.


These are the three to fix. And stating with Jump ranges is a good start. But the three mentioned above need the most.

1. Corp management - some ideas follow

A. Instead of broker fees going to NPC's if you are in a Corp. it should go to a Corp. Broker ( sort of like a tax rate ).
B. Maybe Allow more ways to allow or limit access to more stations ( or Pos's ), then just HQ - Based at or other.
C. Alliance hangars, that you can assign CEO's or directors of the Corps in you alliance access to.
D. More accurate update on Last sign on of pilots.

2. POS's

A. Bring back the charge rate of use of modules. and Add alliance back, and make this work unlike before. Such as if they don't have access to Alliance wallet the funds for use come out of their personal wallet.
B. Maybe allow access and use by Corp / Alliance and maybe even by pilot.

3. SOV

A. Maybe take away notifications. or Limit them to the Military or Industrial index. So no LvL in system then no notification , Lvl 1 then maybe 72 hours and the higher the lvl then the shorter the time.
B. Stations need to be destructible. Reason being. Not only would it keep Station market moving. Also if you don't like the one up and does not suit you, then you can build the one you need.

Just some thoughts. Fly safe and lets have fun with this new change.

Sign, Hellion Vlad - .Pest for Life!!