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Who's a carebear?

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Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-11-24 08:03:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Poetic Stanziel
I'm a carebear? I get accused of it. Not quite sure why. I suppose when it comes to EVE specifically, I have a different definition of carebear than other people. Hell, I think I have the better definition.

On the face of it, the way I've been playing up until now, you might mistake me as carebear. I kinda suck at PvP. I mission. I incursion. I haul and do industry. I pretty much mind my own business and do my own thing in the game. If that is someone's definition of carebear, then it is far too broad. That could apply to a majority of the people playing EVE Online.

I see carebears as dangerous entities to this game. Thus, I get a tad more specific in my definition.

To me a carebear is ultra-risk averse. A carebear will rarely, usually only under duress, leave highsec. A carebear may engage in activities similar to mine, the difference is that the carebear feels entitled to do those things and to never be bothered while doing them. A carebear loses a ship in highsec to a gank or a wardec, the fault does not lie with the carebear for being inattentive or naive. No, it's the fault of low-life psychotics, which the game should be actively trying to curb. A carebear loses ISK in a scam? Not the carebear's fault, the game should protect people from the unscrupulous. A carebear's bottom line is affected in any way, they are bitching to anyone who will listen that the game needs to change, that their choice of playstyle needs to be accommodated. The game mechanics should allow them the choice to engage in conflict at their whim, not at someone else's whim. When a carebear seeks out conflict, it's because of a desire to achieve a perfectly reasoned goal. When a carebear is forced into conflict, it's due to purposeless unmotivated aggression from players with anti-social disorders.

That's not me at all.

I love risk. It is why I play this game. It reminds me of the glory days of Ultima Online (the first two years), when it was the only wild-west anything-goes environment available. They tried to create a sandbox. It had an economy. It was dangerous -- you died in UO, you got looted and lost all your stuff, "Ooo ooo oooooooooooo!" Those days of UO are long gone. We have EVE as our replacement. A better replacement. Ultima Online was the pinnacle of MMO play until CCP developed their little flying in space game.

So yeah, I go about my business in game. People might mistake me as a carebear. Except. I'm well aware that anyone at anytime could come along and try to ruin my day. And I accept that. Happily. I've lost ships. I've lost billions in ISK. I would never complain about losing stuff. It sucks when it happens, but afterwards it is really why I love this game.

I'm f**king passionate about this game. EVE is conflict. I don't want that conflict to ever go away. It needs to permeate every iota, every segment, every nook and cranny of this game. And I will f**king scream and shout and point fingers at anyone who says it should be otherwise. Carebears ruined Ultima Online with their incessant whining and screaming and demands to curb non-consensual conflict. I do not want to see that happen to EVE Online. It's the only sandbox on the block. Where the f**k am I going to play if the carebears take this sandbox too?

(from Who's a carebear?)
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#2 - 2011-11-24 08:20:06 UTC
If you don't PVP you are a carebear. I wouldn't worry about it enough to make a thread about it though unless you feel guilty.

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)

Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2011-11-24 08:23:57 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
If you don't PVP you are a carebear. I wouldn't worry about it enough to make a thread about it though unless you feel guilty.
The thread is really about definitions of carebear ... with me starting off the conversation using a personal example and then getting into my definition.
Handsome Hussein
#4 - 2011-11-24 08:30:17 UTC
Who gives a ****. Play the game. Have fun. If it's not fun because someone called you a mean name, don't play the game.

Leaves only the fresh scent of pine.

Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#5 - 2011-11-24 08:34:09 UTC
Handsome Hussein wrote:
Who gives a ****. Play the game. Have fun. If it's not fun because someone called you a mean name, don't play the game.

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)

Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#6 - 2011-11-24 08:34:37 UTC
Handsome Hussein wrote:
Who gives a ****. Play the game. Have fun. If it's not fun because someone called you a mean name, don't play the game.


^^ This.

Also, if you care(bear) about what ingame ppl call you how do you handle RL?

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Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2011-11-24 08:40:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Poetic Stanziel
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Also, if you care(bear) about what ingame ppl call you how do you handle RL?

I dig a hole in the woods and roll the body in. I handle it the same way everybody handles it. Shocked What are you, European or something?
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#8 - 2011-11-24 08:47:20 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:

I dig a hole in the woods and roll the body in. I handle it the same way everybody handles it. Shocked


I usually pretend to be brave but I cry in my pillow before I fell asleep :)

Poetic Stanziel wrote:

What are you, European or something?


In fact I am :)

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Cherry Nobyl
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2011-11-24 08:49:17 UTC
this just in:

bear presents fecal matter to forest interior.

film at 11.
ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#10 - 2011-11-24 08:50:02 UTC
0/10, obviously those links are to your blog.

Note: This is the highest score you can get because you never link anything else

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.

Molly Molotov
Doomheim
#11 - 2011-11-24 08:51:19 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Also, if you care(bear) about what ingame ppl call you how do you handle RL?

I dig a hole in the woods and roll the body in. I handle it the same way everybody handles it. Shocked What are you, European or something?


Yeah, if I had a penny for every time I murdered someone for calling me a carebear irl...
Akrasjel Lanate
Lanate Industries
#12 - 2011-11-24 08:54:27 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
I'm a carebear? I get accused of it. Not quite sure why. I suppose when it comes to EVE specifically, I have a different definition of carebear than other people. Hell, I think I have the better definition.

On the face of it, the way I've been playing up until now, you might mistake me as carebear. I kinda suck at PvP. I mission. I incursion. I haul and do industry. I pretty much mind my own business and do my own thing in the game. If that is someone's definition of carebear, then it is far too broad. That could apply to a majority of the people playing EVE Online.

I see carebears as dangerous entities to this game. Thus, I get a tad more specific in my definition.

To me a carebear is ultra-risk averse. A carebear will rarely, usually only under duress, leave highsec. A carebear may engage in activities similar to mine, the difference is that the carebear feels entitled to do those things and to never be bothered doing them. A carebear loses a ship in highsec to a gank or a wardec, the fault does not lie with the carebear for being inattentive or naive. No, it's the fault of low-life psychotics, which the game should be actively trying to curb. A carebear loses ISK in a scam? Not the carebear's fault, the game should protect people from the unscrupulous. A carebear's bottom line is affected in any way, they are bitching to anyone who will listen that the game needs to change, their their choice of playstyle needs to be accommodated. The game mechanics should allow them the choice to engage in conflict at their whim, not at someone else's whim. When a carebear seeks out conflict, it's because of a desire to achieve a perfectly reasoned goal. When a carebear is forced into conflict, it's due to purposeless unmotivated aggression from players with anti-social disorders.

That's not me at all.

I love risk. It is why I play this game. It reminds me of the glory days of Ultima Online (the first two years), when it was the only wild-west anything goes environment available. They tried to create a sandbox. It had an economy. It was dangerous -- you died in UO, you got looted and lost all your stuff, "Ooo ooo oooooooooooo!" Those days of UO are long gone. We have EVE as our replacement. A better replacement. Ultima Online was the pinnacle of MMO play until CCP developed their little flying in space game.

So yeah, I go about my business in game. People might mistake me as a carebear. Except. I'm well aware that anyone at anytime could come along and try to ruin my day. And I accept that. Happily. I've lost ships. I've lost billions in ISK. I would never complain about losing stuff. It sucks when it happens, but afterwards it is really why I love this game.

I'm f**king passionate about this game. EVE is conflict. I don't want that conflict to ever go away. It needs to permeate every iota, every segment, every nook and cranny of this game. And I will f**king scream and shout and point fingers at anyone who says it should be otherwise. Carebears ruined Ultima Online with their incessant whining and screaming and demands to curb non-consensual conflict. I do not want to see that happen to EVE Online. It's the only sandbox on the block. Where the f**k am I going to play if the carebears take this sandbox too?

(from Who's a carebear?)


Who cares Roll

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude

RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#13 - 2011-11-24 08:59:46 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:

tl;dr


As so many have said before:
Came expecting Blog link, left unhappily fulfilled.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#14 - 2011-11-24 09:42:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Khanh'rhh
Your OP describes the activities of a carebear.

What you are describing you are not, is a carebear with a sense of entitlement.

You "kinda suck at PVP"? Well, guess what. Everyone does when they don't try.

You are being risk adverse by not trying.*

Pro double link to your blog BTW.

* I remember you saying you were joining RvB, for instance. You blogged about all the fits you were going to use. How you were going to change, adapt, and use it as a learning experience. You stayed in the corp one day then left, and redacted all the blog posts.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2011-11-24 09:45:49 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
What you are describing you are not, is a carebear with a sense of entitlement.

Where's my entitlement?
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#16 - 2011-11-24 09:47:34 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
What you are describing you are not, is a carebear with a sense of entitlement.

Where's my entitlement?

Can you read?

Try again.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2011-11-24 10:01:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Poetic Stanziel
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
What you are describing you are not, is a carebear with a sense of entitlement.

Where's my entitlement?

Can you read?
That's a f**king awkward sentence, dude. That could have been written more clearly in about twenty different ways.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2011-11-24 10:05:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Poetic Stanziel
Khanh'rhh wrote:
* I remember you saying you were joining RvB, for instance. You blogged about all the fits you were going to use. How you were going to change, adapt, and use it as a learning experience. You stayed in the corp one day then left, and redacted all the blog posts.
I went in to RvB with a bunch of T1 fit ships ... thinking that would be cool, that that's what most people flew. They didn't. So wasn't really all that competitive. I was meaning to go back once I could completely fit out a ship with T2 mods ... but never got around to it.

I do have 10 Ishkur's sitting in Villore (I think), out near Old Man Star, ready for me to PvP in. I just never feel like I'm ready enough for it. Always one more gunnery skill to learn. I know. I need to dive into and let it all hang out. I'll try to do that this weekend. Just do it. Finally. I need to dive straight into the deep end.
gargars
Willco Inc.
#19 - 2011-11-24 10:07:45 UTC
Eve Uni said you are a carebear. Bear

/me ducking
Psychophantic
#20 - 2011-11-24 10:08:18 UTC
How does a carebear exist in a non-consensual pvp game?

Everytime you undock you are at risk. Everytime you buy or sell something on the market you are competing.

This isn't UO and you aren't living in Trammel. It's not WoW and you're not on a pve server.

So in EvE's context a carebear is someone who is risk averse or does their best to minimise any risk. Kind of liking blobbing people with supers or performing that calculated suicide gank.
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