Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I'm assuming the miners were wildly incompetent if they couldn't arrange an escort fleet to handle 30 -10 sec status catalysts. I mean it cant be THAT hard.

Turns out, high sec as a whole is totally incompetent and did allow a single corp in GSF to shut down all Nitrogen isotope mining in high sec for a month. Incursion runners are just as easy to disrupt.

No they aren't - attempts to actually disrupt incursions in a similar fashion have been a spectacular failure. Apparently even the Goons failed at it. See https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=366607&p=3
This disruption is caused by incursion runners themselves, and is 100% the result of CCP putting in an arbitrary site that closes down the incursion. Without that, no one would be disrupting incursions (everyone else who tried quickly gave up). It probably helps that most incursion runners are nullsec alts and not the usual highsec jokers.

This is a perfect example of what happens when you post without reading every single page and aren't well-versed on which ices refine into which isotopes.

Moving on, there was a second interdiction and it was actually successful? Ridiculous.

Apparently even the Goons failed at it. See https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=366607&p=3
This disruption is caused by incursion runners themselves, and is 100% the result of CCP putting in an arbitrary site that closes down the incursion. Without that, no one would be disrupting incursions (everyone else who tried quickly gave up). It probably helps that most incursion runners are nullsec alts and not the usual highsec jokers.

There needs to be a way to stop 30 people in battleships from making 100-200 million isk an hour. Low sec PVE has its pirates, Null sec PVE has its pirates... but we have this isk fountain in the middle of high-sec. You can't just make a curse without a cure!

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I was there for both the Caldari and the Gallente Ice incursions. Incursions are even more localized than ice is and the entry points to these sites are easily found. So trust me if the GOONS decided to shut down incursions in high sec it WOULD happen and to be honest the carnage of expensive incursion ships and the tears from the incursion runners would be fun to witness.

If CCP wrote into the code for these sites to spawn allowing the incursion to be ended how can you possibly think that these sites are arbitrary? Random in timing, or random as to whether they show up at all maybe, but arbitrary no way.

You keep stating that people are ending these early. This all comes down to how you define "early". Since the mechanic being used to close incursions had to be placed into the code by CCP it is obvious to all of us that these are not being ended "early". In fact they are being closed at a time allowed for by the game mechanic and decided on by players. The only definition of them being ended "early" there can possibly be is one based on the desire/greed of a few players to farm as much ISK/LP as possible from each incursion.

And please spare all of us the complaints about how there is nothing for you to do for 36 hours or so till the next incursion forms. All this does is serve as an indicator of just how isolated you are from the rest of the players and the rest of the game and all that there is to do, but here are some suggestions.
Spend that 36 hours or so interacting with the new players in the game. Hey you could even try to get them interested in running incursions since you think they are the bees knees.
Run a few missions just for giggles.
Or if you find all of the other parts of the game of EVE that boring then simply do something else with your time while you wait out the start of the next incursion. You know things like reading a good book, or maybe watch a little of you favorite TV shows, I can go on but you get the point.

Remember than incursion runner isk has to be adjusted for moving, waiting for fleet, light fleets, breaks, etc... It turns out to be similar to competent people blitzing SOE L4s - it's just more fun (and already much more dangerous!). Not to mention that in the last 3 weeks your isk/hour would be better running L2s in a rifter. Incursions are not generating too much ISJ (CCP has already shown the numbers and stated that it is happy with them), the real problem is that so many people in highsec are now unable to experience the most enjoyable form of PvP in the game.

So go suicide gank people. The same would apply to mission runners, miners, haulers, etc... If you don't like what they are doing CCP always gives you the power to go and blow the up. Personally I think it's ineffective because these people can usually quickly make enough ISK to replace their losses, but you are free to do it as much as you like.