EVE General Discussion

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If you think I'm doing something wrong, you know what to do.

really? and how do we know?

As I outlined in my response to Mike Azariah, all CCP has to do is treat "real-life harassment" as it does other EULA violations (botting, linking porn, offensive language, etc.) and provide a temporary ban with a specific explanation of what behaviour is not allowed. Most players do not want to break the EULA and by just letting them know that they are over, or are close to the line, then they will steer clear. The ones that want to push the limits to be asses you just ban the second or third time. Of course, if there is some harassment that is especially egregious (doxxing or the like), they can reserve the right to permaban immediately. This would allow CCP to shape the sandbox and player behaviour with warnings and bans, and allow CCP to change policies without being painted into the corner of having to permban sections of their player base.

It is strange to me that for EULA violations that are much more clearly defined (botting, RMTing and the like) there is a policy of escalating warnings and bans whereas the nebulous "real-life harassment" which is left for the player to interpret, has no leeway or mechanism for CCP to indicate what is acceptable and what is not.

All of this drama may have easily been avoided if after learning of the Bonus Room last November CCP just said "Hey guys, we are uncomfortable of the territory of where this Bonus Room is drifting into, knock it off." People would have perhaps whined and complained, and likely Erotica 1 would still have pushed the limits and eventually got banned, but at least those caught up in the change of policy would have had their warning and I would have no sympathy for them if they continued. As it is, it is not reasonable to expect players to read CCP's mind or predict their future actions with the penalty of a permaban if the player is wrong.

I don't see why CCP appears to be so scared of rule lawyering players. I agree this is a no-win situation for CCP as people will whine, try to push limits and try make continual appeals and this will make more work for GMs, but it is not like this is a court of law. If CCP decides you are just pushing limits to be a jerk, then just ban them anyway - they hold all the cards. That might cause some fallout as well, but it can't be worse than this situation where people are being permabanned for things they in good faith thought were within the rules based on CCP's past enforcement of the EULA.

" lots of grief players want to play innocent lambs when in fact, they have been provoking their victims over hours."
this *is* a group only consisting of bad apples.



You mean the CLOWNS...sorry CODE alliance?
for one, thats not just a "few" bad apples.
sadism and griefing as used and supported by the CEOs make them a complete bunch.
You would need to point out some good apples in this bunch.

PS and i think you are a hipocrit.

This type of behavior is more acceptable from little children, of course. And I sure hope parents aren't kicking children out of their homes over this. With proper guidance from parents they end up outgrowing it. But we're not dealing with children here. These are adults with sadistic tendencies taking pride and pleasure in making others miserable on purpose. This, no matter how they make it seem, is not normal behavior for an adult.

Eve is a beautiful game. But because of how it works it also tends to attract these types of personalities which are able to use the game as a tool to project ill intent and malice.

I do agree with you in that we need to learn, if we haven't already, to ignore and shake off their interactions.

People like the person behind Erotica 1's avatar are simply incapable of understanding why what they do is wrong and unacceptable behavior. Their brains are not wired to make those connections. Their own actions and consequences will always be someone else's fault. I do my best to minimize exposure to these types of people. Unfortunately, avoiding interaction with them sometimes just tends to make them angrier.

If I was doing something wrong, I wouldn't be doing it.

Unlike some other people here.



That's rich, considering who it's coming from.

Remiel, I just wanted to take a moment to apologize for the amount of times you've seen "Steppa Musana liked your post" appear at the top-right corner of your screen.

If you could perhaps stop being right for a moment, I would be willing to cease these activities immediately.

Actually, I have no idea what the banned players did, nor do I really care as it is between them and CCP.

If a banned player feel that CCP have banned then unfairly, they should use the petition system to seek redress.

If they still feel that they are being treated unfairly, then why on earth would they want to continue paying for a game where the game company is so keen to lose their subscription feel for no good reason.

Dear Mr Stark, If you come up with a set of written rules which cover all variables, they I feel pretty sure CCP would be happy to offer you a job.

You (and others of your ilk) moaning and crying in the forum is so much easier than actually helping to fix what you perceive to be a problem.

To all those whinging about lack the lack of clear rules, come up with a better solution, just moaning for the sake of it does none of you any credit.

900 posts later, I wouldn't hold out much hope for that.