EVE General Discussion

You wouldn't have even gotten to 6 minutes before I had you in tears instead.

But nobody was banned for ganking, awoxing or scamming.

You have absolutely 0 evidence that people got banned for any of the reasons stated. It's all just rumors.

Let me say that again. Nobody got banned for ganking, awoxing or scamming. Why should they? It's encouraged by CCP and not a bannable offense. The only thing we have found out is that if you act as terrible as you possibly can, abuse people for no other reason than the abuse itself, deliberatly move parts of the harrassement out of game, record them and distribute them and just generally act like a psychopath, you might end up with a ban. Good riddance. Nobody needs people like that in a game.


On the other hand, it's great fun to see all the "bad" people in horror about some assholes getting banned. I like that.

First they came for the botters, and I said nothing because I was not a botter.
Then they came for the gankers, and I said nothing because I was not a ganker.
Then they came for the mission runners, and I said nothing because I was not a mission runner.
Then they came for the assholes, and there was no one left to speak for me.

I was unaware that wanting to know what the rules are, is victim blaming.

oh wait, it's not, you just didn't read any of the thread did you?

when they pay me to do their job, i'll do it.

I see, you clearly have the moral high ground. At least you think you have. You are happy someone lost the privilege to play this game over unknown reasons (because you don't know) just because they play the "bad" guy in a game that encourages such game play? I consider this a rather toxic attitude. Some people just never look into the mirror I guess.

How about instead of what we can't do, they tell us what we can do. By virtue of not being on a list of approved behaviours in-game, and what can be reasonably expected of CCP to monitor out of game (such as on voice coms published on the internet), it then becomes 'not allowed' except with express permission, via petition, from CCP.

I could even start the list:

Suicide ganking is allowed, provided it's not unreasonably excessively focused on one player.
Singransom is allowed, provided the victim is not excessively pushed, especially if they show agitation. If they won't sing, just blow them up/keep their stuff.
Scamming is allowed, [enter proviso here, I've never done scamming or been involved with anyone doing it, so I wouldn't know what to put here]
Bumping is allowed, [again, enter proviso here]
etc etc

Then anything not on the list can be assumed to be off the playbook without express permission via petition from a GM.

Using suicide ganking as the example, it would still be on CCP to deem what is considered unreasonably excessive on a case by case basis, should it occur. It would also be on CCP to investigate petitions asking to explore other activity requests not on the list on a case by case basis, in addition to the usual consequences of excessive petitioning, especially excessive petitioning of stupid requests that try to skirt the TOS. I don't imagine this to be too hard to accomplish, and given the nature of EVE and how different it is from other games, I do think it's a good step in the right direction.

EDIT: Let's make it a list of approved PVP behaviours, so we're being specific that it's regarding player interaction and behaviour rather than activity, otherwise you'd have to put all PVE activities on the list as well and that would be ridiculous.

It doesn't count when you cover the mirror with a poster of Tom Cruise.

And also, ew, Tom Cruise? Why would you do that? Cruise is gross.

You still don't understand. Still on this dead horse of yours that the 'villain' could only have ever faced attack with provocation. Yeah, go join the army one day. Then when you come back, give me a definition of villain that doesn't fit the neat little Star Wars darkside/lightside false dichotomy.

No one is talking about provoked reactions. There are a lot of unprovoked attacks that have taken place in this game where the aggressor has not faced CCP policy enforcement. That's what he's saying.

Unknown reasons? We all know what they did. Your tears are delicious.