EVE General Discussion

I don't believe it's an intentional, built in mechanic, I believe it's along the same lines as the cloak/mwd trick. Surely that was never intended, it's really an exploit in the "spirit of the law" if not in the "letter of the law." CCP just can't "fix it" it because it hinges on a fundamental of the games inner workings, being server ticks. They can't fix it, they can't realistically punish ppl for using it because thousands do a day I'm sure, so they say "well... it's ok to do that."[/quote]



Idk, one the one hand I'd be curious to know what CCP REALLY thinks about that, but on the other hand is it just arguing semantics? Can we each word "our side" differently and get it to "stick?" I honestly don't know.



They're using CCP's current inability to fix the completely broken wardec system to their advantage by exploiting a fundamental flaw that completely negates and renders absolutely worthless the ability to declare war.

It's just like the cloak/mwd trick. CCP will never admit "we have no idea how to remedy this" so they say it's ok.

Given that we're on page 61 of this thread and tbh we're all making the same arguments over and over again, I see continued conversation as played out, really. I will, however, make 2 more points and then leave it at that.

1. Didnt CCP say that continually corp-cycling or doing it too many times or something along those lines would attract negative attention fro the GMs or something to that effect?

2. How can anyone say that it is working as intended to completely nullify a war dec (which costs isk btw, a small amount but still) if it's literally quite trivial to avoid it? Put another way, why the hell do you honestly think the wardec mechanic even EXISTS if ppl can just nullify it with a flick of the wrist??"

I believe I've said this once before, but out of utter frustration I will say it again: I'm glad I'm a cat person, because this "arguing with a brick wall" makes me wanna take a cute puppy and punch it in the face.

they generally don't read these kinds of threads, and deffo not sixty-page back-and-forth 'no YOU'RE trying to make us play YOUR way' crap like this

Incorrect. This has been covered in this thread already, you're just parroting a line that's already been addressed on many many many many occasions.

If you're going to jump in to a conversation half way through or nearing the end of its lifespan, usually it helps to be up to date on where that conversation's already been. There's no reason for anyone to repeat themselves if you can't be bothered reading.

I spent many pages discussing reasons to dec a corp without having the intention to ever fire a shot. So no, not about easy ganks. Since you cba to join the conversation in a productive way by actually reading the conversation thus far, I cba to repeat myself.

Go back and read the last 60 pages, and I shall be with you in Spirit.

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I see a lot of whine in your post. I was even gonna offer some cheese to go with it.

FRUMUNDA CHEESE

a few things

valid tactic...its not really a tactic, its taking advantage of a gameplay weakness which ccp hasnt been ableto fix yet. ccp also doesnt like it hence the warning that if yo do it habitually,gms will come pay you a visit.

as far as risk free, its not. the deccers and defenders both face equal risks.

as far as noobs...sorry kid,you got some stats on that? yeah i didnt think you did. youre just following a brainless narrative like a butthurt brainless sheep. when i was doing decs most corps i decd wee 20-100 members (and i was solo). they still dodged pvp via docking,but at least they suffered a consequence for it. eve is all about consequences. right now dropping corp or rolling has no consequence and this runs against the spirit of the game.

im sorry your panties are twisted because you feel inferior topvpers wh you percieve as "bullying" you, but the health of the game is more important than you

That Everquest example is irrelevant to what's being discussed and you know it. That's just plain cheating (as your example is a game).

You were also saying that they shouldn't be able to avoid the fight, they have no right to. Regardless if you like it or not avoiding fights is a tactic just as valid as any other.


Without what we have at the moment how do people avoid the fight?

I can tell you how people used to avoid fights, by not using the character that was in the corp. which had the war-dec on them (I'm sure there were other methods as well) but that was a common method. How was that good for the game?

You see you pick fights (why I added the second line in what you quoted) you don't pick fights you know you would lose. Because that would see you sat in a station or playing another character or something else. I know you do it (if you do) just to extort isk from corps but they don't know that. You are just being selfish in a way as all you care about is making easy isk, you don't even care about the PvP.

It's not irrelevant at all. I showed how an EQ player could "avoid conflict," or "avoid dying."

Also, what about my Eve example of somehow making your ship "infini-stabbed" so that you could always warp away, no mater how many points and scrams were on you? That would be "avoiding conflict," too.

Like I said, your point that "avoiding conflict" is reasonable is not true, and I will give an example from personal experience in a minute, but the fact of the matter is that the argument I and others are making revolves around HOW people are avoiding conflict, and I/we believe that corp-cycling is not a fair or reasonable tactic, and is currently only allowed to go one because CCP can't think of a fix for it. Please note also that this opinion is bolstered all the more by CCP saying that if you did it "a lot" you would attract the attention of the GM's or something to that effect.



That's not true. I have never once in this thread said that WT's had no right to avoid "the" fight (IF there even IS a fight during the war.) What I HAVE said is that they have no right to magically wave their hands and suddenly invalidate a valid wardec.



So should a valid game mechanic be invalidated because some people are stupid? I've been under wardecs many times, like maybe 8 or 9 times, and I've only died once, maybe twice (idr) to the enemy. I didn't not use my character, I didnt stay docked up in station, I didn't not play for a week. It's really quite simple:

Stay out of hisec - The VAST majority of "wardec corps" or (lawl) "mercenary corps" won't leave hisec, mainly because these guys operate by having neutral logi with them, and offgrid boosters. That's something that needs to change too, but right now it's allowed. I believe even CCP has said the neutral logis during a wardec isn't kosher, yet atm it's "allowed." They're also scared of ppl other than their WT's attacking them. Of the merc corps I know of, I am only aware of ONE that will actually hunt you in lowsec.

Stay away from trade hubs and the routes between them - Yeah, if you didn't spend your 24 hours of "prep time" moving your toon out of Jita or Amarr, you're gonna be stuck in station. You are also, as a friend of mine used to say, "stuck on stupid." Pretty much all merc corps park in and around trade hubs. Non-merc corps who dec you will also be keeping an eye on these systems.

Use an out of corp alt for supply runs - A brand new toon starts out with the ability to fly 1 race's frigs. The exploration frigs all have 400m3 of cargo space. another 7 minutes and you can use meta cargo expanders. I suggest amarr frigs as they have 4 low slots you can put expanders in.

Move around when you log Smart wardeccers will use evewho and/or killboards to get names of members in their WT corp. Then they'll run a locator agent on several names and see where they are. Don't have everyone in the same system, spread out. Log off safely in a safe spot in space, or a station is ok if it's in an out of the way system.

These are things just off the top of my head that my komrades and I have done, and it works. Sure it's still inconvenient, but that's part of the reason ppl dec you to begin with, to make things a hassle for you. But as you can see, to claim that corp-flipping is the only way to avoid the conflict is wrong.



1st of all, if that were true, it's sorta common sense, right? I mean who does pick a fight they know they'd lose?

BUT, often there are no "losers" in a wardec. I can screenshot 100 finished wars that had no casualties on either side, because the defenders followed my above steps.



Welcome to Eve?

Have you even read the thread?. There are some very valid reasons to WD a Corp, totally nullified by this mechanic.

Drink one for me!

I had to take a deep breath before I laughed this hard.

You, the blowhard who won't even fight without a full gatecamp fleet at your back?

No one here is scared of you, so take your carebear apologist crap and slink back to OOPE.