EVE General Discussion

Of course there is always a reason.

"Because I want to" is only the superficial expression of what's going on inside,
yet there is no need to give a reason in the first place.

Because when the laws of nature apply on a human level,
what matters is that Might makes Right.

And it does.

Such realisation comes when you are being forced to do things while looking at a gun pointed at you,
or suddenly a group of thugs surrounds you,
or there is a market competitor who simply has more money than you and drives you off.

Might makes Right.
The strong eat the weak.

EVE is based on the laws of nature.
if you look at the wrong person in the wrong way,
then he might as well eat you because he can and you are too weak to fight back.


If you are weak ... you either train ... or you die.




Your response screams that you are biased and not only ignore what EVE is built on,
but also ignore the very basic mechanics of nature itself.

I have no issue with non-consensual PvP, go nutz ganking, roaming low/null, go bash a pos, go take sov or under cut someone in the market. However you can't take away a mechanic from someone (concord) just because you don't like it. Concord is there for a reason and operating in high sec comes with draw backs because of that.

Because that's how the game works.

Laws of Nature.

Might makes Right.

The weak either train up or die.


That's actual, observable reality for everyone who doesn't selectively ignore it.
Observable everywhere, daily.

Just because modern societies create weaklings nowadays, who need a Big Brother,
doesn't mean things suddenly don't obey the most basic mechanics of nature,
which this game is built upon.

I appreciate the "some" and agree.

Gankbears are bears too.

I consent to the possibility of being attacked. And even this doesn't mean I have to stay still while you aim and shoot.

What you do, fight back, or how you avoid being ganked is up to you, but by undocking you do consent to another player being allowed to attack you.

Not at all, you can still blow their ship up, it's just you'll have CONCORD gate crashing.

48 pages of why bother.

People talking about might makes right and blah blah blah.

The new players are equal to children. Without children the population dies.

How much should we have to pay cops to be able to shoot kids?
Or the real question is what size bribe does it really take to make it happen.

Eve does not compare to real life in this way because the bribes are peanuts to the bulk of the population.
It's like giving a police department $20 to look the other way while you go on a shooting rampage.

If might really makes right concord would just blow through all secs of space and pop anyone with negative rating.

We need to make the cost higher. Much much much higher. If people want the game/population to exist well into the future having criminal element hunting the kids at almost no cost is not how it's done.

In real life people can bribe the cops back and they do. They pay the wages of the cops. The cops protect them for this reason and only this reason. Very rarely do you find hero cops and when you do they will not last as a cop, the other crooked cops will run them off.

The biggest game mechanic issue is that we have no way to fight back with cold hard cash. This puts indy/trade and large new player groups at huge disadvantage.

Let the defending corp pay a bribe too if needed. Have a max. Say 300 mil. If the attacking corp won't pay the 300 mil plus the cost to war dec which should be much higher no war happens.

Imagine a game that you can make the attacker pay 500 mil to shoot at you but you pay 300 mil no matter if they end up paying or not just for the extra protection.

The mechanic is broken and is not true to human nature or real life at all currently.

And your post fits in just perfectly.


Of your entire post, this is the only other part worth mentioning.

First off, if you believe that anything in this game is not true to human nature, you really need to take another look at humanity. Regardless of how advanced our society has become or how allegedly civilized we've become, inside all of us is a greedy, vicious predators. EvE is merely a game where that aspect of humanity is allowed to flourish.

As far as being true to real life, are you ******* serious? You're complaining about a game set in another galaxy, millenia in the future, where a single person in a pod is capable of operating massive spaceships using fluidic physics not being true to real life. Where's the logic in that?

You might be onto something here. An adaptation from it could be. You pay for Concord support, as a corp. As much or as little as you want. Maybe a monthly fee. Lets just say, you as a Corp pay into the fund 1bill. Anybody WDing your have to pay this and 50mill to be able to declare war. Or you could decide area is relatively safe, and pay 100 mil for Concord support.

Outside of Corp no "Concord" support is given. This Gives Corps a "Something to fight for" Puts people into Corps. And could be a considerable Isk sink.