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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#861 - 2014-09-17 13:09:27 UTC
Grog Aftermath wrote:

That's because they have nothing to compromise about, it works ok for them as it is. Maybe not ideal but good enough.


How much more ideal can it get past "perfect safety"? (nevermind that you should never, under any circumstance have that in a sandbox PvP game)


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You're effectively asking them to put themselves in a position where they can be harassed via war-dec mechanics. Who in their right mind would agree to that?


Everyone who signed up for a PvP game. So, everyone with an active EVE sub.

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You must be one of those extremists, that will never be happy unless the game is the way you want it.


Don't talk to yourself, it makes you look weird.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Fer'isam K'ahn
SAS Veterinarians
#862 - 2014-09-17 13:17:38 UTC
Hahaha, wow, 40+ pages for...

In F&I this would have been locked on the first page... better hurry back, I prefer arguing and the casual disorder to absolute nonsense and chaos °°
Grog Aftermath
Doomheim
#863 - 2014-09-17 13:36:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Grog Aftermath
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Grog Aftermath wrote:

That's because they have nothing to compromise about, it works ok for them as it is. Maybe not ideal but good enough.


How much more ideal can it get past "perfect safety"? (nevermind that you should never, under any circumstance have that in a sandbox PvP game)


Not having to drop corp. every time for a start. CCP changed it to the way it was because they were losing customers. I know they were, how many I don't know or even how much influence it had but I'm sure it must have had some. If you want to blame anyone blame those that used to constantly war-dec the same corps. Which is what would happen again if it was allowed to.

Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Grog Aftermath wrote:


You're effectively asking them to put themselves in a position where they can be harassed via war-dec mechanics. Who in their right mind would agree to that?


Everyone who signed up for a PvP game. So, everyone with an active EVE sub.


Everyone that plays the game has agreed to play under the rules of CCP with CCP's game. CCP say dodging war-decs is a legitimate tactic, so they're are playing within the rules. People don't play by your rules, just in case you didn't realise that.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#864 - 2014-09-17 13:42:49 UTC
Grog Aftermath wrote:

Not having to drop corp. every time for a start. CCP changed it to the way it was because they were losing customers.


Ha ha, no. Citation needed on that bullshit statement.


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Everyone that plays the game has agreed to play under the rules of CCP with CCP's game. CCP say dodging war-decs is a legitimate tactic, so they're are playing within the rules. People don't play by your rules, just in case you didn't realise that.


But on the one hand, carebears cried about wardecs and CCP changed them, but on the other hand if a PvP player wants something changed, tough **** that's how it is live with it sucks to be you.

Lol. Hopefully you realize your massive hypocrisy, now that I've pointed it out to you.

If you maladjusted freaks can legitimately campaign to get CCP to change the game in your favor, and you have done a shitload of that in the last decade, then I do so just as legitimately, if not moreso.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Grog Aftermath
Doomheim
#865 - 2014-09-17 14:06:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Grog Aftermath
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Grog Aftermath wrote:

Not having to drop corp. every time for a start. CCP changed it to the way it was because they were losing customers.


Ha ha, no. Citation needed on that bullshit statement.


I know of 3 that left, not because of a single war-dec but multiple war-decs one after the other. I'm sure they weren't the only ones.


Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Grog Aftermath wrote:

Everyone that plays the game has agreed to play under the rules of CCP with CCP's game. CCP say dodging war-decs is a legitimate tactic, so they're are playing within the rules. People don't play by your rules, just in case you didn't realise that.


But on the one hand, carebears cried about wardecs and CCP changed them, but on the other hand if a PvP player wants something changed, tough **** that's how it is live with it sucks to be you.


I don't see what this has to do with PvP, your targets aren't going to PvP. Don't even think you really care about PvP, it's about trying to harass people using the game mechanics with the backing of CCP. Luckily for the carebears as you call them, CCP doesn't see it your way.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#866 - 2014-09-17 14:11:06 UTC
Grog Aftermath wrote:

I know of 3 that left, not because of a single war-dec but multiple war-decs one after the other. I'm sure they weren't the only ones.


Oh no you don't, that is not what I asked and you know it.

I want a citation for "CCP changed it... because they were losing customers."

Please, please try and prove that obvious lie.

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I don't see what this has to do with PvP, your targets aren't going to PvP. Don't even think you really care about PvP, it's about trying to harass people using the game mechanics with the backing of CCP. Luckily for the carebears as you call them, CCP doesn't see it your way.


At least try to dodge. You just made an outright and obvious hypocrite of yourself, and you aren't even going to answer the charge? Just ignore it and keep drumbeating your risk averse, cowardice narrative?

Surely you can do better.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Grog Aftermath
Doomheim
#867 - 2014-09-17 14:18:07 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Grog Aftermath wrote:

I know of 3 that left, not because of a single war-dec but multiple war-decs one after the other. I'm sure they weren't the only ones.


Oh no you don't, that is not what I asked and you know it.

I want a citation for "CCP changed it... because they were losing customers."

Please, please try and prove that obvious lie.

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I don't see what this has to do with PvP, your targets aren't going to PvP. Don't even think you really care about PvP, it's about trying to harass people using the game mechanics with the backing of CCP. Luckily for the carebears as you call them, CCP doesn't see it your way.


At least try to dodge. You just made an outright and obvious hypocrite of yourself, and you aren't even going to answer the charge? Just ignore it and keep drumbeating your risk averse, cowardice narrative?

Surely you can do better.



Now you're just butt hurt and trolling.

As for the citation, I don't need to give you one, anyway if you quoted more than the bit you decided would suit your purposes. You would see that I'd already said I don't know how many left in total because of it and I don't know how much influence it had on their decision.


But I'm going to leave this discussion with you here, as it's obvious it's degenerating.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#868 - 2014-09-17 14:41:31 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


But on the one hand, carebears cried about wardecs and CCP changed them, but on the other hand if a PvP player wants something changed, tough **** that's how it is live with it sucks to be you.



The fact that any crusade to make wardec harsher ever worked does not mean CCP can't be pushed to that side, only that they never agreed with the points provided. I'm pretty sure if someone was to provide an argument for it they approved, the change would be done or underway. Neither side of any rules can argue to be right until a decision is made by CCP to go one way or another because all those rules are made based on the gut feeling of CCP over the matter. We are all trapped debating until the higher up decide the show us their decision.
Josef Djugashvilis
#869 - 2014-09-17 15:00:44 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Grog Aftermath wrote:

Not having to drop corp. every time for a start. CCP changed it to the way it was because they were losing customers.


Ha ha, no. Citation needed on that bullshit statement.


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Everyone that plays the game has agreed to play under the rules of CCP with CCP's game. CCP say dodging war-decs is a legitimate tactic, so they're are playing within the rules. People don't play by your rules, just in case you didn't realise that.


But on the one hand, carebears cried about wardecs and CCP changed them, but on the other hand if a PvP player wants something changed, tough **** that's how it is live with it sucks to be you.

Lol. Hopefully you realize your massive hypocrisy, now that I've pointed it out to you.

If you maladjusted freaks can legitimately campaign to get CCP to change the game in your favor, and you have done a shitload of that in the last decade, then I do so just as legitimately, if not moreso.


The last sentence in your post, is why you are still my favourite crazy poster Kaarous.

Never stop posting.

This is not a signature.
Trixie Lawless
State War Academy
Caldari State
#870 - 2014-09-17 15:08:05 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


That's not how this works.

Highsec has too much safety.



I'm having problems containing my lols at this statement. That's like saying...water is too wet or air is too breathable. And as for the health of the game...who's game? Your game? Game seems fairly healthy to me. I'm sure the guys playing in high sec because they choose not to play in null sec feel its healthy too. Maybe you should get out of "Hold My Hand Land" if that's not how you want to play, and go play in one of the other two areas CCP created for you.
Seneca Auran
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#871 - 2014-09-17 15:09:02 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Grog Aftermath wrote:

That's because they have nothing to compromise about, it works ok for them as it is. Maybe not ideal but good enough.


How much more ideal can it get past "perfect safety"? (nevermind that you should never, under any circumstance have that in a sandbox PvP game)


Good thing they don't. You are perfectly free to attack anyone, anywhere, anytime. You seem just as terrified as the worst of the 'carebears' about losing your ship, given that that is the worst thing that can happen to you for popping anyone you please.

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You're effectively asking them to put themselves in a position where they can be harassed via war-dec mechanics. Who in their right mind would agree to that?


Everyone who signed up for a PvP game. So, everyone with an active EVE sub.


EVE is not an FPS, sorry. A PVP orientation is not the same thing as "The only thing anyone should be doing in this game is trying to kill as many people as possible, as often as possible."

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If you maladjusted freaks can legitimately campaign to get CCP to change the game in your favor, and you have done a shitload of that in the last decade, then I do so just as legitimately, if not moreso.


It's not our fault EVE doesn't cater exclusively to violent, basement-dwelling sociopaths who harass people in video games because they can't get away with it in real life.

Isn't dimestore internet psychoanalysis of people who play a game a different way than you do fun? Roll
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#872 - 2014-09-17 15:27:17 UTC
Trixie Lawless wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


That's not how this works.

Highsec has too much safety.



I'm having problems containing my lols at this statement. That's like saying...water is too wet or air is too breathable. And as for the health of the game...who's game? Your game? Game seems fairly healthy to me. I'm sure the guys playing in high sec because they choose not to play in null sec feel its healthy too. Maybe you should get out of "Hold My Hand Land" if that's not how you want to play, and go play in one of the other two areas CCP created for you.


Newsflash, CCP created one area. This idea that High Sec isn't for pvp is as foolish now as it was in 2003 when people started saying it.
Trixie Lawless
State War Academy
Caldari State
#873 - 2014-09-17 15:38:21 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Trixie Lawless wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


That's not how this works.

Highsec has too much safety.



I'm having problems containing my lols at this statement. That's like saying...water is too wet or air is too breathable. And as for the health of the game...who's game? Your game? Game seems fairly healthy to me. I'm sure the guys playing in high sec because they choose not to play in null sec feel its healthy too. Maybe you should get out of "Hold My Hand Land" if that's not how you want to play, and go play in one of the other two areas CCP created for you.


Newsflash, CCP created one area. This idea that High Sec isn't for pvp is as foolish now as it was in 2003 when people started saying it.


No one said no PvP hi sec...ever. If you want to PvP in hi sec you have to follow certain guidelines though. Don't want to follow those guidelines...then gank someone. But if you choose not to follow then you face consequences for your actions.

CCP created one server (or galaxy...whatever term you want to call it) with three different areas based on security status.

Newsflash: Go to null if you want to be able to go to war without the other side being able to just drop corp and run. Yeah, they can still drop corp, but you just pew pew them anyway with no consequence.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#874 - 2014-09-17 15:42:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Trixie Lawless wrote:


No one said no PvP hi sec...ever.


You must have just gotten to the forums tonight. Actually, someone did not too long ago post a thread demanding the removal of PVP from high sec. This is what the gradual disintegration of PVP integrity in EVE is coming to, and the more CCP panders to the demands of the carebears, the more demands the carebear makes.

As a result, I'm forced to change my own position on the matter. To prevent the pansification of EVE and the nullification of the PVP'er, I stand firmly against rolling corps for the sake of dec dodging. If you can't learn to pew pew, even if just to defend yourself, then you bring it on yourself.

#DeleteTheWeak

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Trixie Lawless
State War Academy
Caldari State
#875 - 2014-09-17 15:47:24 UTC
Hmmmm.... I did miss that, and I don't feel like searching for it. I'll take your word on it.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#876 - 2014-09-17 15:48:36 UTC
Trixie Lawless wrote:
Hmmmm.... I did miss that, and I don't feel like searching for it. I'll take your word on it.


#DeleteTheLazy

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#877 - 2014-09-17 15:56:49 UTC
Come over to the Dark Side Remiel. We have cookies.
That being said. I'm gonna stand by what I've said in the past. I used to run a 1 man player corp for years. Why? So I could have my own POS for one, also so that my drunken ramblings could have a realistic and damaging affect upon my ingame assets. IE, if I acted like a tard on the forums I could not only be held accountable for the drunken gibberish I am occasionally wont to spew, but also could face the possible loss of assets beyond whatever derp fit ship I happened to undock with.
These things combined keep me civil for the most part, and prevent me from running onto the stage with my pants on my head yelling 'oh wakka wakka feels so good!'. Unfortunately, life in npc corps fosters a sense of shelter and a disassociation with the notion of any real loss as a consequence for actions on the meta level that panders to the themepark mentality a little too much. With nothing on the line on a daily basis the fear of real loss diminishes to the point where when all of a sudden the harsh reality slams into place to the tune of 'omfg that was more than half my net worth that just went pop', you are simply ill prepared to deal with it. Butthurt ensues. Major league Preparation H Bomb style butthurt.
You do yourselves no favor by insulating yourselves from the notion of loss. Better to inure yourself to it and learn to laugh at it whenever possible, rather than be thrown into fits of rage due to being unused to dealing with such hurts.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Trixie Lawless
State War Academy
Caldari State
#878 - 2014-09-17 15:57:31 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Trixie Lawless wrote:
Hmmmm.... I did miss that, and I don't feel like searching for it. I'll take your word on it.


#DeleteTheLazy


Not lazy....just don't care. How about DeleteTheArrogant?

DeleteTheGuyWhoThinksHe'sEdgy?
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#879 - 2014-09-17 16:01:03 UTC
Trixie Lawless wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Trixie Lawless wrote:
Hmmmm.... I did miss that, and I don't feel like searching for it. I'll take your word on it.


#DeleteTheLazy


Not lazy....just don't care. How about DeleteTheArrogant?

DeleteTheGuyWhoThinksHe'sEdgy?


Hey man, I'm a space cowboy. Space cowboys are ALWAYS edgy Blink

Omar, while I enjoy the dark side as much as the next guy, I prefer to hang out in the grey areas where no one can really be sure of my intentions unless I explicitly state them. It's easier to be underestimated that way Twisted

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Valkin Mordirc
#880 - 2014-09-17 16:01:40 UTC
Trixie Lawless wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Trixie Lawless wrote:
Hmmmm.... I did miss that, and I don't feel like searching for it. I'll take your word on it.


#DeleteTheLazy


Not lazy....just don't care. How about DeleteTheArrogant?

DeleteTheGuyWhoThinksHe'sEdgy?



You obviously must be new here.


Remi is the edgiest of the edge that's standing on the edge of the edgy edge.


Simple stuff really.


Oh and also,

#Lookinamirror2014
#DeleteTheWeak