EVE General Discussion

Translation : "I think pvp just means combat"

When people say EVE is a pvp game, they mean EVE is a game of conflict. You CAN cooperate (and must in many cases) but you WILL compete.

This in contrast to a "pve game" that is multiplayer: people play together and on the same servers but there is no cost (positive of negative) on anyone base don any one else's actions. I play another space game (Star Trek Online) that fits this description.

So the problem we have here is your limited understanding of what is being said. I'm a PVE player, I rarely shoot at other real people. EVE is still a PVP game because I PVP every time I bring my dead space loot to market and sell it for cheaper than the competition.

Fine....but wardeccs are not just against logistics. The current wardecc mechanic works perfectly well in forcing medium-large established corps to defend themselves.

And yet lots of corps don't just disintegrate when marmite decs them. They keep functioning, take their licks, and try to survive.

Considering some of these groups were supposed mercenary groups. And others were wormhole corps that just from the suffering of transiting trough high sec when needed faced too much internal drama for their quota.

CODE does way more generalized damage than us, but we are able to harm a specific corp much more efficiently

You do not speak for me in that sense. I have openly admitted I WD dodge. Yet I am still in a 1 man corp. 7days for me would be a cost. I have posses up. production, Refining, inventing. I would need to find a new home to continue all of that. Then the hauling time costs to get there. That's non mining time. The amount of isk I'd lose just taking down the pos would be more than the WD. 1 week in NPC could cost me 100's of millions.

Yet I still use a corp. Why? because in 4 hours I am back up and running again. Tell me again why this is not broken?

As I said it takes all of 5 minutes.

You keep saying that but you never say what you would change about war decs.

Here's you chance, tell us what needs to be done with war decs.

Would it take Eve Uni 5 minutes to disband and reform?

Ok. When you war dec someone and they log out, should ccp give you their home address so you can travel to their house to berate them for not logging in? Yes, you can attack anyone anytime you want, and those folk to avoid your attacks can dock their ships and log out of the game any time they want. If you want targets, (as opposed to just wanting to break the game) then you dont want folk to dock or log out. Rather you want them in space defending their assets or seeking to destroy yours.

So what does this aggressive war limit fix?

Did you consider the downsides at all (rhetorical question, of course you did not.)

Like how people would game the hell out of any limits (this shows that you haven't paid attention to CCPs development of EVE online and why they shy away from hard caps on tings) because the things people do to avoid the hard cap ends up being worse for the game).

This discourages high sec alliances and merging of high sec alliances,l creating a penalty where none now exists ie "if our 5 corp alliance joins with your 5 corp, we can be war dec'd as one instead of counting as two against the cap, making us more vulnerable to groups like Marmite, better to stay separate and just cooperate informally". Existing High Sec alliances might even end up "reverse-Decshielding by disbanding their 10 corp alliance to minimize the possibility of everyone getting war dec'd

Then everyone just keeps alts (even on unsubbed accounts) in case of a war dec and sings them up an undec'd but blue corp to avoid the war dec.

High sec groups coming together is important because eventually they might choose to go to low sec or wormhole space or npc null or rent some SOV null for a taste of that life. While this unintended penalty you propose wouldn't kill that, it would slow it down and the game doesn't need that. We should be encouraging MORE grouping together in high sec (EVe incubator), not less.

And what if what you want results in actual sub loss. We know that pvp (even high sec war dec style pvp) is one of the things that keeps people playing. By limiting the number of targets you end up making the folks actually contributing to the game (the pvp'rs who kill ships that drive the economy) have fewer opportunities to do that. We all should want MORE ship killing in EVE, not less. Ship killing is what makes the market for all of use to participate in.



This is why I say prejudice is bad. In an emotion driven state of dislike (of high sec war dec groups) you come up with a 'solution' that stands to actually hurt the game in the form of fewer kills/more meta-gaming/fewer new groups born in high sec that venture out into EVE to make history and thus a less healthy economy.

WTF are you smoking (and can i have some)?