EVE General Discussion

If you have war dec'd a single player corp without any tangible assets, then your war dec target selection is flawed. There is little to no difference in a single player being in either a single player corp or an NPC corp. I really don't see why CCP would have to put a lot of time/energy into something that should be self correcting. Seriously, if there are no anchored assets in space, it is a complete waste of time to dec a single player corp, and I actually believe that it IS working as intended. While Eve is a game where non-consensual PVP can happen anywhere and anytime, it is NOT without consequence.

I won't say the system is without flaw and it may be annoying to find a target that seems unassailable. Eve does have a lot of built in workarounds, and over time, I have found that most cut both ways. A single player corp gets to dodge NPC taxes. That is about it though, since if that single player actually tries to take advantage of corporate advantages beyond that, they set themselves up for significant losses and/or major headaches in the face of being war dec'd.

Most of the 'solutions' to this otherwise self correcting problem can only penalize player corps that have invested in their current corporate structure. There is already a 'time' cost for tearing down structures as well as a 'time' cost in lost corporate standings for dissolving a corporation. Dissolving and reforming a corporation actually worth war dec'ing is NOT free.

If CCP decided to put enduring tags on dec'd characters, it would likely not interfere with any gameplay that I have ever indulged in, but I would have to wonder why they would waste the time and dev resources. If Bob the Bear is forced to drop his single player corp for a week and slum in an NPC corp for that time, will that have made any improvement at all on the current system? If Bob the Bear does this repeatedly and chestbeats along the way, then return the favor by scanning any/every shiny he flies and just gank him, war dec or not till he humbly begs/pays for you to move along...

Like I said at the outset, this problem is a very self correcting one.

Yes, they do, they always do. You choose to focus your skills on one thing just for the sake of making isk without the ability to defend your chosen method of making a living, then you're choosing defencelessness. I hear this often: "But I didn't skill for PVP". That can ONLY happen if you CHOOSE not to skill for PVP, and it's nobody's fault but your own. It doesn't take that much to skill in to PVP and this is not an excuse, it's a cop out. Just saying, "But CCP put the skills there to be trained" sounds like a morbidly obese man walking into maccas saying, "but they put all those burgers on the menu to be eaten." You still have a choice of skills - they put PVP ones in there as well, you know.

And this irks me - "that would completely destroy the.... blah blah blah" citation needed. You haven't demonstrate this in any way. If you want to make an argument for this, start with "this COULD destroy [THING] because of [REASONS]" or your argument is invalid and worthless to the discussion.

For crying out loud, it's the smallest and most insignificant corps using a game mechanic to avoid fighting a group who would crush them in a hit. If it were to be removed, they'd just sit in NPC corps. It's the most pointless thing to be arguing about, and is only a lead up argument to the inevitable "punish the NPC corps".

Lol. You're an idiot. Clearly wardeccers have it so hard in your mind, those poor little souls. If only those pesky 1 man corps couldn't evade them it would be all better.

I never siad they were the same, I just pointed out that the change needs to be balanced on btoh side. Not that the change itself needs to be 50/50, but that the change needs to balance out the 2 sides, which cannot be done with a 1 sided change.

And you seem to be talking about gankers, this is about wardeccers. Like gankers but too risk averse for concord. They don't need to think, and make choices, they can just blanket wardec most of highsec for pocket change. Sorry for thinking that people need to make choices in EVE. I thought you were aiming for non-themepark.

NPC corps do need some rethinking. This is a player driven game, all npc interaction should be secondary to relying on people.



I'm sorry, i thought I was talking to some who has experienced puberty, guess not lol.

Those corps aren't evading. What I do is evade (by playing the game), sorry you can't understand that, but you don't seem to understand much so meh .

[/uopte] I never siad they were the same, I just pointed out that the change needs to be balanced on btoh side.[/quote]

Which is saying they are the same..



'Balance' needs to be applied to the thing that is broken. The only thing broken here is dec-dodging.



The way to avoid a gankers or war deccer is to learn how to think like them. Once you do,you'll learn that they do put a lot of thought into what they are doing. That's how I survive. in fact I found that learning to counter them was FUN.

Again you are too caught up in prejudice to see it. Doesn't really matter I guess, you don't have to agree with the truth that dec-dodging is broken. In every society there are those people who live in denial. Guess what, for EVE, you're it lol.

Yah.... I was in the process of asking but, I guess this is my answer.

You know what.... Imma go out on a limb here and throw this idea up in the air, see what kind of reaction it gets.

Let's talk compromise: I will accept perfect safety in highsec for EVERYBODY in exchange for nerfing Veers Belvar. Seriously, just limit him to 10mil SP max, give him a wallet limit, and I'll move to lowsec permanently. I already hang out there a lot so it's not a huge pain in the arse for me really...

Compel him? No, of course I can't do that, not at all. However, if I have him tackled and I'm in the process of melting his hull, he won't have much to do about it if he has no ability to fight back, and that'll be because he made the choice not to learn PVP in a PVP game. I'm not missing the point at all, but you appear to be missing mine. All players are welcome to do whatever they do, that is the point I'm making, along with the point that should the choose defencelessness and someone else chooses to violence them, then they've made the choice to be a 'victim'.

Capiche?

Personal stuff? I didn't realise this was all about you. I can make it about you if you want. I'M TRYING TO SAVE HIGH SEC FOR YOU AND YOUR KIN AND YOU WILL BE THE HERO BY VIRTUE OF YOUR SACRIFICE VEERS!!! Surely you can't argue with that, all of high sec will stand by your CSM nomination for sure.

At this time I do not intend to run for CSM.

Yes we do. Everyone who plays EVE agrees to PvP every time they log in.


Now back to the subject. If I find our enemys' alt logistics corp and I want to disrupt it to reduce supplies to a nullsec front line I can take out a war dec. They respond by leaving the corp for another.

Question: Was I successful in that war?

Exactly - just because you can't wardecc someone does not mean that you can't PvP them. All it means is that your PvP is constrained by CONCORD, which is what highsec is supposed to be about anyway.