EVE General Discussion

I didn't realize Eve had a PVE server...

It's so easy

Chuck wardecs

Chuck NPC corps

Chuck CONCORD

Allow Sov in Highsec.

Done.

Then why is using perfectly valid methods to avoid a wardec suddenly so bad? They do not want to fight, so they can avoid doing so.

Absolutely, and if the other side wants to run away from that wardec, it's perfectly reasonable to do so.

And most people can't just "drop corp, reform". Most people have something to protect. If your targets keep dropping corp, then stop targeting the people with absolutely nothing to protect (which is a small minority).

War Decs are designed to allow you to attack another corporation in high security space without CONCORD intervention. They do exactly that.

How that corp responds to the war dec is irrelevant. If they're small enough with few enough assets, or feel that rounding up all their stuff and putting it back together again after disbanding is a better option, oh well.

The War Dec gives you the opportunity to attack, it doesn't guarantee that the target's only options are to fight or sit in a station until you get bored.



CCP should probably get around to fixing that now 11 year old bug of non-combat related skills, ships, and activities constantly appearing on the server then.

Every day I logon thinking, "Surely after the last downtime asteroids belts, ice, moons, planets, agents, plexes, industrial ships and industry and production skills will be gone now." but no, CCP just can't seem to fix anything.

A sandbox is a sandbox. For game who's vision is "All pew pew, All the time.", there is a bizarre amount of things to do that don't actually you require to fire a single shot at another player. That's not to say that there should be any place that is truely 'safe', but looking at the scope of the game and saying, "Obviously CCP's vision was for every player to spend every moment in absolute terror of death." is laughable.



I know right? It's almost as silly as snapping your fingers, paying a few mil, and being given free reign to bypass the normal consequences of PVP in high sec.



Yes, if there's one thing CCP should take away from the fact that something like 90% of the player population hangs out in the relatively small 'High Sec' area of the game, it's that the only thing stopping a major subscription boom is the lack of available free for all PVP space.

At no point did I say you had an agenda, but you are supporting an idea to remove a method of running away from a fight you can't win. Running away is a perfectly valid tactic, and if you are in a position where you have nothing to protect, that's tough luck for the wardeccer for picking a soft target.

And yes, it's so harsh this game. You can pay pocket change and gank thousands of noobs and steal all of their stuff without even having to rub 2 braincells together to choose which targets to attack. Sounds mega harsh. There has be be a challenge on BOTH SIDES. I really can;t say it simpler than that and yet you'll still parade back here ignoring most of what I've written.

Here it goes one final time:
I do not disagree with the changes suggested here, I only disagree that they should be made alone. BOTH SIDES need to be changed in a balanced way to make BOTH SIDES more challenging.

This issues is such a dead horse. CCP simply cannot force people to play when they dont want to. War decs as they currently stand are ganking tools, meaning that there is nothing in it for the victim of a dec. All you have to do to see the problem is picture yourself as a war dec victim and ask what is in it for you? Why should you stick around and give these aggressors fights on their terms? Without a doubt alot of people say there is nothing in this war dec for them and therefore look to dodge the dec. Now if CCP was to try and force folk to pvp when they did not want to pvp, all that would do is make them dock up and wait out the dec. Maybe they will log off and play another toon, or worse (from CCPs perspective), maybe they log off and dont play eve at all. You force people to log off enough times and they will stop playing entirely.

All of the above does not mean that war decs cannot be fixed. To fix war decs, there must be something in it for the defender as well as the attacker. In other words, defense must be incentivized - the defender in a dec must have something they can potentially lose or gain from the dec. POCOS were a good start to this, but they are simply not enough. IMO little pieces of sov should be brought to HS -- allowing HS corps to fight over resources (such as individual asteroid belts) in HS would go a long way to fixing war decs. Of course, I wouldnt make all of HS "sov" like - but there are certainly enough systems in the .8 to .5 categories for corps to be able to stake small sov like claims.

Also requiring the attacker to have a deployable war headquarters somewhere in space which if destroyed would end the war would be another step in the right direction. I would have the war dec fees be deposited in the war headquarters and if the headquarters are destroyed, the defender gets the fees.

In short, if war decs are to work, the dec must be about more then just pvp for pvp's sake.

Exactly and you complain about CODE being able to gank in highsec. If it up to you highsec would be this safe place where you could AFK and do whatever. Eve isn't meant to be that.

Trust me I absolutely agree that being dec'd by coronations like Mermite sucks. I've been dec'd by them and you don't have any other option but to hide or go to lowsec. I have a mission runner pilot right now that's under wardec... Do you think I'm undocking my Golem?? No...

I'm not saying make it where people are perma dec'd... I didn't say the war would follow the pilot till it ended... Just till renewal that way the dec corp actually gets a war with their ISK.

Now you can just switch from some shell corporation you make to another in another in 5 minutes whats the point of a wardec? I'll make "IIshira corporation 57674".. Want to dec me?... Okay now "IIshira corporation 527544"... wasted another 50 mil on a dec?... "IIshira corporation 987641"... I can make 20 shell corporations so we can play the dec dodger game all day.

No one here is saying "You got to stay put and fight".

IMO the Aggressor side of as WD is where it should be, but leaving dropping Corp should carry a better consequential penalty.

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No, actually they often don't.

Which is another curious question. If CCP definitely never intended PVE to be a relevant choice for players, why are there entire libraries of skills devoted to mining/industry/production? Especially when by virtue of the way they set up the skill training system, if you're working on those skills you can't be training weapons/combat ships/pvp relevant skills?

Surely since the only purpose of the game is to get into PVP as quickly as possible and stay there, every new player should start with perfect mining, refining and production skills, and access to all industrial ships. Of course, that would completely destroy the player-run economy, so why does that exist? Since ship-to-ship PVP is the only thing they want anyone doing on any kind of regular basis, surely it would be much simpler to have a fixed NPC market.

If PVE isn't mean to be anything but at best a minor hobby, CCP has made a lot of truly baffling design choices since day 1.