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Taking care of the ISK sink issue with one stroke: won't affect carebears

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Gogela
Krigmakt Elite
Safety.
#1 - 2011-11-24 04:18:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Gogela
So here's the idea: I have a low sec status. It's fine. I like it. Every now and again I want to go to empire for a refreshing Quaffe and pleasure hub run. Instead of using an alt, what if CONCORD would sell me a day-pass on the black market?

You buy a pass that lasts a day to a week... call it "fake ID" or something, make the rate at which pods are charged for this pass dependent on the severity of their security penalty.

I'm not going to fix my sec status. It's right where it should be. But I would buy this frickin' pass on occasion.

What would you guys say to something like that if CCP did it? Good idea or no? Would you use this?

Signatures should be used responsibly...

Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2011-11-24 04:21:03 UTC
I doubt it would cut down on alt use, but I don't see a problem if it is just a pod coming in. Would be too many abusing it if they could fly ships in.

By the way, since we're already talking, do you want to buy a rifter? I've got the cheapest rifters in Metropolis. If you can find a cheaper rifter, buy it!

Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#3 - 2011-11-24 04:21:26 UTC
You must be under the impression that a few thousand players would bother with that..

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.

Gogela
Krigmakt Elite
Safety.
#4 - 2011-11-24 04:22:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Gogela
Renan Ruivo wrote:
You must be under the impression that a few thousand players would bother with that..


Yes. I am under that impression. Otherwise I wouldn't have suggested it.

Halcyon Ingenium wrote:
I doubt it would cut down on alt use, but I don't see a problem if it is just a pod coming in. Would be too many abusing it if they could fly ships in.


What if it was limited to ship class... say shuttles and industrial ships... would that be cool with you? I can see the abuse problem.

Signatures should be used responsibly...

1-Up Mushroom
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2011-11-24 04:40:37 UTC
Yea, you'd have to have ship restrictions on this thing. Suicide gankers would go crazy for this, letting em gank all day everyday having no penalty. Have to restrict it to ship that can't fit guns or something P
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Gogela
Krigmakt Elite
Safety.
#6 - 2011-11-24 04:43:46 UTC
1-Up Mushroom wrote:
Yea, you'd have to have ship restrictions on this thing. Suicide gankers would go crazy for this, letting em gank all day everyday having no penalty. Have to restrict it to ship that can't fit guns or something P

First let me say: Name - Awesome. Bio - Also Awesome.

I would be fine with a no weapons restriction. They could play it off like "cops don't look as hard at your id when you are unarmed."

Signatures should be used responsibly...

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2011-11-24 05:00:06 UTC
Gogela wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:
You must be under the impression that a few thousand players would bother with that..


Yes. I am under that impression. Otherwise I wouldn't have suggested it.

Halcyon Ingenium wrote:
I doubt it would cut down on alt use, but I don't see a problem if it is just a pod coming in. Would be too many abusing it if they could fly ships in.


What if it was limited to ship class... say shuttles and industrial ships... would that be cool with you? I can see the abuse problem.


PvP Badger outlaw gank it would be fun as hell.
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#8 - 2011-11-24 05:04:10 UTC
Except CONCORD isn't exactly renowed for being corrupt.

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#9 - 2011-11-24 05:10:26 UTC
Oh no! A change is being suggested!!1! I won't read the OP but will rage troll and flame instead!! Marsha Marsha Marsha!!!!1!!!

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Dark Magnetar
Royal Ordnance
#10 - 2011-11-24 05:18:02 UTC
The weapons restriction wouldn't stop a dedicated ganker because they could just buy the weapons in station, undock, and gank before CONCORD gets to them. Same applies for the ship restriction, unless it was hardcoded in that you couldn't undock with a ship with a turret/launcher hardpoint. I suppose this could be remedied by making it an exploit to do so.
Kiyl
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
#11 - 2011-11-24 05:52:25 UTC
Some outlaws already do that^.
Amro One
One.
#12 - 2011-11-24 06:10:32 UTC
Can I have your stuff
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#13 - 2011-11-24 06:26:10 UTC
Gogela wrote:
So here's the idea: I have a low sec status. It's fine. I like it. Every now and again I want to go to empire for a refreshing Quaffe and pleasure hub run. Instead of using an alt, what if CONCORD would sell me a day-pass on the black market?

You buy a pass that lasts a day to a week... call it "fake ID" or something, make the rate at which pods are charged for this pass dependent on the severity of their security penalty.

I'm not going to fix my sec status. It's right where it should be. But I would buy this frickin' pass on occasion.

What would you guys say to something like that if CCP did it? Good idea or no? Would you use this?


I have a better idea. I can buy an "anti gank" pass from concord, and fly around low/null sec for a day a week or so and be totally immune from ganking. Call it a "I wanna pay to avoid the consequences of my playstyle" pass or something.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
#14 - 2011-11-24 06:30:52 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
Gogela wrote:
So here's the idea: I have a low sec status. It's fine. I like it. Every now and again I want to go to empire for a refreshing Quaffe and pleasure hub run. Instead of using an alt, what if CONCORD would sell me a day-pass on the black market?

You buy a pass that lasts a day to a week... call it "fake ID" or something, make the rate at which pods are charged for this pass dependent on the severity of their security penalty.

I'm not going to fix my sec status. It's right where it should be. But I would buy this frickin' pass on occasion.

What would you guys say to something like that if CCP did it? Good idea or no? Would you use this?


I have a better idea. I can buy an "anti gank" pass from concord, and fly around low/null sec for a day a week or so and be totally immune from ganking. Call it a "I wanna pay to avoid the consequences of my playstyle" pass or something.

The "sandbox" aspect of the game is structured in such a way that you're already able to do this. Nothing prevents you from approaching sovereignty holders and offering money in exchange for freedom of movement.

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Jita Alt666
#15 - 2011-11-24 06:40:29 UTC
Halcyon Ingenium wrote:
I doubt it would cut down on alt use, but I don't see a problem if it is just a pod coming in. Would be too many abusing it if they could fly ships in.


Idea has merit I reckon:

10mil for -5 -> -6
20mil for -6 -> -7
30mil for -7 -> -8
40mil for -8 -> -9
50mil for -9 -> -10

in addition:
10mil for pod
20mil for frigate
30mil for cruiser
40mil for BC
50mil for BS

so a -7.5 pilot in a BS would pay 30mil + 50mil = 80 mil for concord blind eye.
or a -5.5 pilot in a pod would pay 10mil + 10mil for concord blind eye

If a pilot on a Black ID draws the attention of Concord (by aggression in empire) then concord could pod the pilot
Jita Alt666
#16 - 2011-11-24 06:42:50 UTC
Ptraci wrote:


I have a better idea. I can buy an "anti gank" pass from concord, and fly around low/null sec for a day a week or so and be totally immune from ganking. Call it a "I wanna pay to avoid the consequences of my playstyle" pass or something.


You don't actually play Eve Online a terrible game do you?
Roosterton
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2011-11-24 06:45:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Roosterton
This is a decent idea. I'd make it so that committing a GCC crime in highsec while using the pass causes the pass to be revoked, forcing them to buy another one if they need more highsec travel within that same week.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#18 - 2011-11-24 06:47:15 UTC
Renan Ruivo wrote:
Except CONCORD isn't exactly renowed for being corrupt.


I'm pretty sure that's what a wardec is. Paying CONCORD a bribe to have them look the other way.

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Ai Shun
#19 - 2011-11-24 08:21:30 UTC
Jita Alt666 wrote:


10mil for -5 -> -6
20mil for -6 -> -7
30mil for -7 -> -8
40mil for -8 -> -9
50mil for -9 -> -10

--- %< -----------------

so a -7.5 pilot in a BS would pay 30mil + 50mil = 80 mil for concord blind eye.
or a -5.5 pilot in a pod would pay 10mil + 10mil for concord blind eye

If a pilot on a Black ID draws the attention of Concord (by aggression in empire) then concord could pod the pilot


I like your addition. However, should the security status purchase be cumulative? E.g. 30m ISK for -7 to -6 + 20m ISK for -6 to -5, etc.
Jonni Favorite
Red Slice Enterprise
#20 - 2011-11-24 08:30:16 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Ptraci wrote:
Gogela wrote:
So here's the idea: I have a low sec status. It's fine. I like it. Every now and again I want to go to empire for a refreshing Quaffe and pleasure hub run. Instead of using an alt, what if CONCORD would sell me a day-pass on the black market?

You buy a pass that lasts a day to a week... call it "fake ID" or something, make the rate at which pods are charged for this pass dependent on the severity of their security penalty.

I'm not going to fix my sec status. It's right where it should be. But I would buy this frickin' pass on occasion.

What would you guys say to something like that if CCP did it? Good idea or no? Would you use this?


I have a better idea. I can buy an "anti gank" pass from concord, and fly around low/null sec for a day a week or so and be totally immune from ganking. Call it a "I wanna pay to avoid the consequences of my playstyle" pass or something.

The "sandbox" aspect of the game is structured in such a way that you're already able to do this. Nothing prevents you from approaching sovereignty holders and offering money in exchange for freedom of movement.


Besides the fact that you missed the sarcasm, I think he was asking for a full "immunity pass" not a "I'll pay you and still have to watch over my back" pass..
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