Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Except that incursions are designed around being a place for higher skill players to showcase their skills, and their fits by winning. The contest mechanic being based around applied DPS and only rewarding one fleet supports my argument that it is MEANT as an E-Peen measuring stick. One part of such a showoffy, E-peen fueled gaming style is the ability to tableflip. This is the classical table flip as applied to EVE.

Shutting down incursions (which were intended to be mobile, and short lived originally) fits the lore, the intended mechanics and the mindset initially intended. All of the claims that a player should be able to run incursions in 2 months ignores that these characters are completely unready for a regular fleet, do miniscule damage and are generally a drain on a fleet. The lowest SP toons that I can really consider "ready" are m4 arty maelstroms with a full t2 fit, which clocks in around 7M SP.

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Preparing_for_Incursions

I would be more than happy to have a 2 month char with this skillset in my fleet. By 3 months the guy is an absolute asset. Obviously if you train in an unfocused manner you are a liability. But as a guy who only focused on combat missions i was more than ready for incursions at 2.5 months (and indeed started to run them consistently with multiple communities).

Not empty quoting.

I'm sorry, we have substantially different worldviews on what is an asset. For comparison, my "standard" is a t2 gun, t2 fit pirate hull. An asset is a pirate hull with t2 guns and deadspace tank, near perfect support skills, a mostly full rack of 6% hardwirings and a pirate implant set that supports their primary role (usually ascendency for DPS and genos/halos for logi)

you want a solution then i suggest you get yourself into a blackbird and join me and my blackbird/falcon fleet on the mom gate.

this is eve harden yourself up grow a pair of hairy nuts, get into a fleet with us and the many other pist off pilots who have had enough of those silly dress wearing sisssy in tvp and isn , and do something about it yourselves

ARE you all sheep, shouting to daddy to come fix this.... its not fair, or are you at the point where the time has come to stop this shite once and for all by doing something about it.


the bob (band of blackbirds) channel exists to co-ordinate mom fleet disruption operations.

You want this stopped? then get out your shiney ATM ships

the fleet will need pilots from all timezones and all skill levels.

get off this forum and into your ships. youll see me floating about in local. mail me for invite to channel.

you want a solution? there is your solution

thread closed

get on with it

Folks I think I found a potential source for the problem here. I admit I have not checked this until now but.....
Veers Belvar is a Februrary 2014 toon. He has spent all of his time in just 2 player corps, Brutor Tribe and Swordmasters of Eden. Perhaps he has focused so much of his game time on Incursions that he has not experienced the rest of what this game is and can be. This isolation in the Incursion community could also explain a great many other things especially his lack of understanding about EVE being a sandbox where there is always someone waiting on the next gate, mission or whatever to try and ruin your day.


Veers after 4 years of coaching, mentoring and assisting new players to find their path in this game I can tell you that you are unusual, it is rare for a new player in this game to be as single minded as you appear to have been. In an average year as many as 10-15 new players transit through my corp and then on to other things and that is how I like it. Constantly being around new players helps me keep in touch with the feelings of wonder etc I felt when I first started in this game and for me that helps keep this game interesting. These players come in here and train some skills, get exposed to various parts of this game through contacts I have developed over the years and then off they go to pursue whatever path they find interesting. And in all those players maybe 1% or 2% of them are able to stay focused enough on one thing to achieve what you have. Based on available information you are in no position to speak about what the average new player accomplishes in their first few months in the game. You are however an example of what a new player could achieve if they knew what they wanted to do when they first started and did not allow anything else in the game to distract them or their training.

I ramble sorry folks none of that is really important to the OP. The simple fact is that CCP gave us the Incursion mechanic and it is up to the players to decide how it is used in game not CCP. It is obvious to the rest of us that the players involved have decided that "mom must die" as soon as the game mechanic allows. I have no idea why but I suspect it is as simple as in-fighting between the incursion groups, others robbing you of the opportunity to kill mom by getting to her first. As such and as many others have pointed out this is a player problem not a game problem and looking to CCP to protect your ISK/LP farming is the wrong solution.

If you were appealing to CCP to increase the number of incursions active at any given point in time you may find a lot of us would be willing to support your cause. But crying to CCP to solve a player created issue just grates on everyone because we all have to deal with player created problems that we would rather not have to deal with.

Dev, can I (as OP) ask that this thread now be locked?

There is no further purpose to it. It's just devolved into whining that I yet again explain how the arbitrary ability to shut down all highsec incursions (which can be done to no other activity in highsec!) is problematic, crazy incursion skill demands (wild elitism unmoored from real gameplay), accusations that I somehow am unfamiliar with the new player experience (despite being a relatively new player myself and trying many different aspects of the game), and ridiculous gank ideas that have no real hope of succeeding on the tactical level, and will certainly only make things worse on the strategic level (groups with massive SRP funds are not going to care if a few logi die. It will just further motivate them to shut everything down). Suffice to say that my OP remains an appropriate and relevant solution, without any real downsides.

To be said that a thread has devolved, it would have had to not be whining to begin with.

I already answered that (repeatedly). Do you have a link for this radio segment? I never "ragequit" from anything, but should be amusing nonetheless. No one contacted me btw, generally you do that as a fact-check, or to let the person respond. Just saying.

It's just a game, no reason to get angry. I was hoping it would be entertaining and fun.