Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Well, they are to blame for current one, as far as history goes, you are correct, though few of them that could do mom never did stuff like this, so not entirely correct

While I appreciate the sentiment, this will have a reinforcing effect on the TVP community. Without other options, especially with the "23/7" convenience of TVP, they now are more wedded to the TVP. What would help most in this particular case is to give TVP membership the full truth of things like the coms discussions where they kicked the leadership of any community that disagreed with their stance, until people were unwilling to speak up, or realized the futility of arguing with the current leadership, and offer them places in fleets without stigma, provided they don't just go back into TVP with the isk and experience gained in the other fleets. This sort of initial banning for flying elsewhere is part of why armor is only just starting to bloom into multiple viable communities again (after the collapse of Born Ara between 9 months and a year ago) and what originally gave ISN the impetus to become a fairly insular and tight community. It will either break TVP, which is unlikely due to sheer institutional momentum if nothing else (and they have some damned good FCs, even if their leadership is mostly trying to squabble and feud) or strengthen it as it becomes TVP or nothing for various pilots.

This week, on "As the Incursion Turns"...

Your OP was about incursion politics. How is it a derailment?

How many times in the last... forever has the mom been taken down "early" except as spiteful slapfighting between two toxic incursion communities that should be permabanned to a man?

The mom is popped "early" because of Incursion politics. Fix your politics and you'll find your "problem" (it isn't one, but okay) will be fixed as well.

You've yet to show that the possibility of player actions affecting other players is a "problem" in a game about *exactly that.*


"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

"upon which" would be correct, I'm not sure what he actually said. And I'm pretty sure he was not referring to a few people able to ruin incursions day after day for the entire highsec incursion community. Suicide ganking is one thing, literally removing the gameplay of incursions from highsec quite another.

So it's ok that incursion runners (aka a few people), by prolonging incursions in their machs, vindis, nightmares and tech2 logi ships (ie ships new players generally can't fly or afford), to ruin the experence for the local miners, mission runners and explorers (who either have to move or simply not log in at all), but it's not ok for a "few people" to do it to you.

Got it. Just wanted to make sure.

Anyone is welcome to do the mom site. If you can get a coallition of such locals together, they can end such a site with moderate investement. t1 logi cruisers, while not optimal, can be made sufficiently well tanked to survive. So can combat battlecruisers, and HACs, and t3s and so on. Just need someone with the drive to do it.

I should point out that in 5 months of running incursions I have not once seen the locals band together and take down the mom site. In fact, many of them expressed curiosity at the incursion spawning, asked about it in local, and joined up with the established incursion communities, getting a lot of enjoyment out of the experience. If they wanted to carry on their activities they can literally move over 2 systems for a few days. With the motherships down, highsec incursion runners cannot run incursions at all, there is no incursion 2 systems away!

Also, most communities accept T1 battleships. I often see new incursion runners in stripped down maelstroms and hyperions (total cost for hull + fit 300 mil or so). It's hardly some elitist activity like flying capital ships or something.