Player Features and Ideas Discussion

They are mostly in 1 man shell corps that just disband and reform if you wardecc them. And before you then tell me to go to the wardecc thread and advocate against corp rolling, realize that they would just go to NPC corps and eat the 11% tax.

Well, then. Seems that war decs done work at all do they?

CBCs work slightly better for VGs than HACs and T3s will do anything in incursions in a reasonable manner, and can become ridiculously tanked or otherwise PVP comped within moments thanks to mobile depots and/or NPC stations.

+1, which is why what is happening is a great thing for everyone except greedy farmers. It's actually 'pvp by other means' and I think that's some of the best of EVE.



The problem here is the carebear mindset, the idea that players should be left alone to just bear it up as they wish in what is really a game about conflict.

Incursions are an invasion by a malevolent force, the idea shold NEVER have been to prolong them but rather to extinguish them as soon as possible. What Incursions should have done was spawned this Highly mobile community of cooperative pve players who fly around squashing Sansha's evil advances wherever they occured as soon as they occurred. That should have been seen as a service by local capsuleers who's activities were disrupted by the incursions, encouraging the locals to either join up temporarily to fight sansha or at least donate isk to the incursion runners who came in and restored order.

But what actually happened is that Incursions (in high sec) spawned yet another farming community that prolongs the events as long as possible to gain the highest personal profit and screw the local community if they don't like it.

This way is better, ISN's and TVP's slap fight is actually doing New Eden a service. Local high sec mission runners and miners and explorers can get back to playing as they wish sooner this way. Of course selfish incursion farmers don't see this.

Hence my reference to CODE. fielding DPS against freighters. Taking action against the highsec incursion dogs will require coordinated, high-DPS suicide ganking that targets at least two points in the logi chain as quickly as possible and with as little aggro switch from Sansha as possible.

Personally I wouldn't mind the "concord response is delayed" idea. After all, CONCORD is very busy in Incursion systems, defending planets and making sure that civilians aren't being abducted. How do they have time to deal with capsuleer infringements as well?

Nonviolent, PVE only solutions for someone else sniping the mothership:
1) Snipe it yourself first.
2) Bribe people in their fleet / community to stop sniping the mothership, or to leave and come to your side.
3) Leave the fleet / community that they have a beef with and join theirs, give in to all their demands.
4) Pay some mercenaries who *do* enjoy PVP to spam wardecs at each and every important member of the opposing fleet / community, and support changes that make wardecs harder to dodge.
5) Stop running incursions altogether. The mothership never spawns, nobody can snipe the mothership.


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6) Delete highsec incursions altogether cause oh my god the risk / reward for incursion farmers is the worst.

It is on par with other forms of PVP with similar toon requirements, and similar amounts of DPS on grid. A preloaded TCRC will melt an incursion fit battleship in 25 seconds at zero percent influence if it doesn't catch reps. What they do to ships while infleunce is high is pretty nasty. 8-9K DPS on grid in some cases, with capital scale neuts taking down a full capacitor in one cycle from the whole group.

Well, TVP took this action on it's own, since there isn't much we can do, at least I can say that in future, any pilot who has ever flown in TVP fleets after today will not be accepted into my fleets. They don't run all the time, and some of their pilots still run in other channels when wait list is to long or there is no fleet. From now on, I will not take any known TVP pilots unless TVP stops acting as space police. Rest of us have no beef with ISN, and this should have been resolved other way, not by affecting all channels.

I wouldn't complain otherwise, but this downtime is starting to affect me, we are running out of targets in 0.0 since we are increasing our yields and now we don't have incursions and we don't have stuff to kill since even provi is starting to learn our cyno alts and I hate to train new ones...

The "problem" in your OP isn't actually a problem. The fact that you think it's a problem is the true problem, and suggests you're playing the wrong game or need to HTFU and deal with the fact that other people can affect your gameplay just like everyone else has to.

If you want gameplay where you are protected and insulated from the actions of others, I suggest you GTFO of EVE and go play a themepark MMO, a single-player game or Hello Kitty's Island Adventure. Or wait for Scam Citizen, which provides all the instancing and protection from "undesired types of player interaction" that you could possibly want.

Capricious Endeavours Ltd hereby endorses TVP and wishes to commend them for the spectacular amount of tears they have caused in just this one post.

Good work, TVP. Fly free and don't let anyone stop you from popping those motherships. o7