Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I really hope no one reads this.

Remove incursions from Highsec. You can run them in Lowsec and shoot each other with your spaceships instead of whining in the forums about it if there is a conflict between your two wow-rai.. I mean incursion groups. Problem solved... next thread please...

No one runs them in Lowsec because you have so easy access in Highsec. Why would anyone risk his ship if he can do the same thing while not risking his ship? From all the money you make in this incursions you could easily replace your loss, so danger is not really an argument.

Incursions should be banned from Highsec, which would solve the very problem you where raising in the first place without some silly change. This would also balance the risk/reward problem incursions have.

Yeah, I'm going to have to go with the above posters.

The Risk Vs. Reward of high-sec "incursions" is out of hand, and does nothing but generate more self-entitled players sucking at an ISK faucet while creating no actual conflict at all. Shooting red boxes does not count as conflict, and listening to a few incursion running groups cry at eachother over loot also fails to impress me.

Move it all to low/null, up the reward, and encourage more player on player violence for the win.

Again, before the agreement Incursions were not open to new players; they were treated as endgame content and the closest a new player could get to them was a Logi [4] Basilisk in Vanguards.


However... I seem to remember that the agreement was referenced in CCP's decision to nerf Vanguard income - so perhaps, now that Incursions are getting back to where they were before the agreement, they might consider increasing the site payouts again.

Well, I'm in favor of anything to increase new player participation in incursions. A lot of the Eve failed retentions are from people who never really engage with the game beyond solo play. Incursions offer people the chance to engage in fleet combat, without needing to go the full PvP route, which a lot of people are not necessarily looking for.

I'd prefer to get back to my specific suggestion instead of incursions in general, so will just respond briefly, and then hopefully can get back to topic.


Highsec is about "easy" ISK. Mission running, mining, incursions - these are all not very risky activities. Highsec is a place where if you put in work you can earn a reasonable amount of ISK without facing a tremendous amount of risk. If anything, incursions are much riskier than mining or mission running. There is no way to protect a 40 man battleship fleet in lowsec from hotdrops. There is a reason no one uses a doctrine like that. If you really want to make lowsec incursions viable, ask CCP to massively buff battleships, and nerf the heck out of capitals, bombers, drones, frigates, etc... I don't think there is going to be much reception to that. The idea that there should be communal PvE activities available where you can earn ISK while working with other people is nothing to apologize for.

Giving one group of people the ability to close down incursion sites after a few hours and deny everyone else the chance to make ISK is not a normal mechanic for Eve, and that's what I'm highlighting. Incidentally, the deflation for eve commodities suggest that the problem is not too many ISK faucets (if so ships, mods, etc...would skyrocket in ISK price), rather the problem is too much mining which is making commodities too plentiful and outstripping the growth rate of ISK, driving down their price. So if that is your concern you should support more incursion running to combat the dangerous deflation we are seeing (which is also driving up Plex prices).

Ok, hopefully we can get comments from people (not CODE!) who want to see incursions becoming a better game mechanic instead of just ban them all, ban them from highsec, etc...

They hotdrop you on the way to the incursion system - or they hotdrop a fleet next door and come in and massacre you, etc.... Again if you don't believe me about the current state of incursions in lowsec - do some research. Show me who is running them, and how fast influence is going down. From what I can tell the lowsec incursions tend to attract a very sparse crowd (as opposed to nullsec, which, when in the correct location, can draw fleets). But I digress - I would rather discuss how to improve highsec incursions.

Here's how you improve highsec incursions:

Every time an incursionbear comes into the forums to cry about incursion drama or how they didn't get to farm for a week or how some other group popped the mothership "early", that bear's account - and all accounts linked to that same person, now that CCP can track them - get a permanent and irrevocable ban from EVE Online.

Poof, highsec incursions solved.

Note to ISDs: I am absolutely not trolling.

I am sorry, but if you open a thread for discussion then you have to accept all the responses even if they are not reinforcing your point. That's usually the point of a discussion. It's also rather silly to demand only comments that agree with your position. I simply present my point of view on the topic and I think I am allowed to do so. If I read the comments in this thread then it seams that the majority is not very fond of your solution and your idea about what incursions should be seams to be a rather unpopular one.

Anyway, back to the topic:

You can prepare perfectly for what is coming in this incursions, so it's not really more risk than a miner who has to tank against belt rats. Since the miner is more exposed to suicide attacks I would say that mining in Highsec is far more riskier than running an incursion. Yet the risk/reward is completely unbalanced if you compare this two disciplines.

The topic of this thread was about the desire to prolong site and therefor ISK farming in risk free Highsec incursion sites. I simply try to shine the light on the problem from a different angle you seam to ignore completely. But I can't really blame you, you are trapped inside the bubble and can't see the big picture.

Removing incursion sites from Highsec would address the real issue this thread tries to discuss. It would give both teams the possibility to engage each other if one team tries to finish the final site. This is currently not possible and therefor the OP calls up on CCP to help with the situation. The situation would not even exist if the Incursion would take place in Lowsec. Have you even heard of a problem where people finish the final site too early in Lowsec? I certainly did not.