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Character transfer limits on accounts.

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Imogine
#1 - 2014-09-08 20:46:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Imogine
What do you think about restricting character transfers to 1 per month, would it be a bad thing?

OK, just interested to know. Thanks.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#2 - 2014-09-08 20:47:39 UTC
Why?

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#3 - 2014-09-08 20:48:41 UTC
It would be a great solution looking for a problem, in my humble opinion.

Mr Epeen Cool
Remissus Rinah
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2014-09-08 20:48:46 UTC
Not sure I see the perceived issue here. Why would you want to?

~ Remissus
Imogine
#5 - 2014-09-08 20:48:54 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Why?

Some could argue it would stabilize the toon transfer market and restrict exploitation.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#6 - 2014-09-08 20:49:57 UTC
Don't say toon.

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Imogine
#7 - 2014-09-08 20:50:14 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
It would be a great solution looking for a problem, in my humble opinion.

Mr Epeen Cool

Perhaps you are right.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#8 - 2014-09-08 20:50:45 UTC
Imogine wrote:
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Why?

Some could argue it would stabilize the toon transfer market and restrict exploitation.


How is it unstable?

How is it exploited?

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Imogine
#9 - 2014-09-08 20:51:02 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
Don't say toon.

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Imogine
#10 - 2014-09-08 21:00:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Imogine
Lady Spank wrote:
Imogine wrote:
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Why?

Some could argue it would stabilize the toon transfer market and restrict exploitation.


How is it unstable?

How is it exploited?


Unstable as in characters being sold for inflated prices. I have noticed some strange things going on there, I believe there is a syndicate working to exploit legitimate buyers and sellers, thats us.

Deflate prices They put up a sale of a 50m SP toon for 8b, wow thats good you say, the toon is immediately bought, but buy the sellers alts who will act as bidders, thus giving the impression a 50m Sp char is worth 8b, rinse and repeat.

inflate prices. pretty simple, they flood the market with chars well above their value, get their alts to buy/bid them at inflated prices and miraculously win the auction of course, copy pasta the char being sent etc, but no transaction has actually taken place, but the other buyers don't know that, there is distortion.


Market distorted.

They win on both buying and selling exploiting innocent and legitimate traders, abusing the mechanics of the game.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#11 - 2014-09-08 21:03:06 UTC
Imogine wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
Don't say toon.

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Haha, thanks :D

Seriously, I'm not the only one that goes nuts over that term Cool

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Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2014-09-08 21:04:51 UTC
If people are buying them than they must be worth it to them. If my alt is buying it from me, I'm wasting my own time and money. Just because your estimated value is below what the rest of the market is at doesn't necessarily mean its bad.
Imogine
#13 - 2014-09-08 21:25:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Imogine
Rowells wrote:
If people are buying them than they must be worth it to them. If my alt is buying it from me, I'm wasting my own time and money. Just because your estimated value is below what the rest of the market is at doesn't necessarily mean its bad.

You're missing the point.

OK Imagine you have 50x50m SP chars, lets say the normal prices for a 50m Char is 10b, for the sake of argument.


So, lets deflate the market first, we list all those 50 chars at 5b each.. the market goes crazy, bids flying everywhere to snap up those bargains!

but no transactions had taken place, well at least no legitimate buyer ever bought one of those toons for 5b, the thread may have indicated a bargain was had, but it was just an illusion.

In the meantime while all this is going on legitimate sellers arrive to sell their char, naturally you're going to check the threads to see what is selling for what, you're not stupid are you?

OK, i'm here to sell, I see 50m chars going for 5b, but mine is worth more, these people are suckers. So you sell your 50m char for 6b thinking you robbed them 1b. But in reality you lost 4b.

While the market is crazy low, thanks to their ruse, the legitimate sellers are selling away to the same guys who listed the 50 chars, but way under their real value.


OK time to inflate and make some ISK, with the same chars they flood the market waaaaay loads of chars, but all waaaaay overpriced, who the hell is going to pay this silly money?

But wait, people are buying them, bids are being made, they are selling, a 50m char for 20b, this must be the market prices?

and in almost all the threads with these fake alt bidders, you will get a real legitimate buyer who will pay, no doubt quite reluctantly the horrendously inflated prices, he has been duped, just like the other guy they duped out of his 4b
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2014-09-08 21:37:25 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Imogine wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
Imogine wrote:
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Why?

Some could argue it would stabilize the toon transfer market and restrict exploitation.


How is it unstable?

How is it exploited?


Unstable as in characters being sold for inflated prices. I have noticed some strange things going on there, I believe there is a syndicate working to exploit legitimate buyers and sellers, that us.

Deflate prices They put up a sale of a 50m SP toon for 8b, wow thats good you say, the toon is immediately bought, but buy the sellers alt, thus giving the impression a 50m Sp char is worth 8b, rinse and repeat.

inflate prices. pretty simple, they flood the market with toons well above their value, get their alts to buy them at inflated prices and hey! I guess a 30m char really is worth 25b!

Market distorted.

They win on both buying and selling exploiting innocent and legitimate traders, abusing the mechanics of the game.

There's no direct SP <-> ISK correlation. The value of a character at a certain amount of SP has a lot more to do with where those SP are, as well as other factors like security status, name, corp history, implants/jump clones, neural remaps, unallocated SP, posting history, and physical appearance.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
O'nira
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-09-08 21:41:18 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.


IF this is actually happening then you should start selling toons while the market is inflated and sell when its deflated, according to you it's going up and down? or is both deflating and inflating at the same time maybe?
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#16 - 2014-09-08 21:43:41 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
It would be a great solution looking for a problem, in my humble opinion.

Mr Epeen Cool



This.

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Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#17 - 2014-09-08 21:56:00 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Proposing a dumb solution to a problem that doesn't exist. thereby causing a problem that would lead to a redaction of the initial solution, as a solution.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

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Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#18 - 2014-09-08 21:56:46 UTC
And, it's probably in the wrong forum.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2014-09-08 22:00:37 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
Imogine wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
Don't say toon.

Adjusted Smile

Haha, thanks :D

Seriously, I'm not the only one that goes nuts over that term Cool

People on goonfleet have been r/o'd for less.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#20 - 2014-09-08 22:09:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Imogine wrote:
In the meantime while all this is going on legitimate sellers arrive to sell their char, naturally you're going to check the threads to see what is selling for what, you're not stupid are you?

Knowing what the market is willing to pay is obviously important, just as RL businesses check the pricing of their competitors (and in EvE we don't have the same protections in place that deter collusion between business IRL).

However, if you are going to buy or sell a character, you need to consider several factors in valuing what you believe it is worth, irrespective of the broader market.

I know someone that trades characters and in his view, bargains really are there to be had because people don't value their characters properly, are in need of ISK, just want to close an account, etc.

At the same time, other people will pay a premium because they also don't know how to value a character, but they want one.

People's 'level of want' is the thing that makes them make poor purchasing/selling decisions.

There might well be a group trying to manipulate the price of characters, in which case even more reason to buy and sell wisely.

The other thing with the market is that there are a lot of characters available. The pages turnover quickly. If you think the price is too high on one character, just click through a few pages. You'll find a character you'll be able to bid on.

If you are selling, great to do so when you really have no need to. It's more difficult to influence you if you don't actually have a pressing need to sell.

As for your suggestion, a big no from me. Why penalise the legitimate activity of one player because a different player isn't smart enough to manage their sales/purchases properly?
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