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Would changing ice back to the way it was affect anything?

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Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
#1 - 2014-09-08 19:29:08 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Would the hi-secc'ers come back to the game?
Would tope prices come down?
Would more POS's be introduced into the game?
Would PLEX be affected at all?

Discuss



Edited thread title to avoid confusion about the threads topic. ISD Ezwal.

You Miners think you have it so damn tough.  When I first started playing we didnt even have mining lasers.  You had to fly close to an asteroid.....pop a hatch and gnaw at it with your teeth.   - Bitter Vet
Joshua Foiritain
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#2 - 2014-09-08 19:34:21 UTC
What makes you think they left?

The Coreli Corporation is recruiting.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#3 - 2014-09-08 19:34:21 UTC
It would make ice mining income ****** again.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#4 - 2014-09-08 19:35:02 UTC
I'd make it even more unpredictable by moving ice into constellation anomaly spawns and litter normal belts with stray ice blocks.

Then again, I'd change quite a few things about mining.

Sovereignty and Population

New Mining Mechanics
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#5 - 2014-09-08 19:35:24 UTC
No discussion needed.

It's a no-brainer. We'd get a ton of people logging back into the game.

I'm not saying one way or the other whether it would be a good change or not. Just answering the OP.

Mr Epeen Cool
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#6 - 2014-09-08 19:35:52 UTC
I wasnt aware they had left.

The ice belt in Warouh lasted about two hours maximum yesterday due to the two dozen locusts that fell on it.

Unless you mean have them hang around the one place longer?

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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#7 - 2014-09-08 19:36:10 UTC
no.

things that might would be a full mining overhaul, maybe adding moon ore to roid fields and remove them from moons. Maybe add comet mining, or other things. shrugs

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

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Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
#8 - 2014-09-08 19:38:16 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
no.

things that might would be a full mining overhaul, maybe adding moon ore to roid fields and remove them from moons. Maybe add comet mining, or other things. shrugs



Comet mining........ yummy.....

You Miners think you have it so damn tough.  When I first started playing we didnt even have mining lasers.  You had to fly close to an asteroid.....pop a hatch and gnaw at it with your teeth.   - Bitter Vet
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#9 - 2014-09-08 19:43:05 UTC
Ice is fine, thank you.

And now let's allow this thread die before any CCP developer starts having ideas about ice. Ugh
Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
#10 - 2014-09-08 19:44:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Tennej
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Ice is fine, thank you.

And now let's allow this thread die before any CCP developer starts having ideas about ice. Ugh


Totally didnt adress the topic questions but thanks for your input. If CCP really cared about ICE they would have made changes 2 actions ago......nothing will change now.

You Miners think you have it so damn tough.  When I first started playing we didnt even have mining lasers.  You had to fly close to an asteroid.....pop a hatch and gnaw at it with your teeth.   - Bitter Vet
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-09-08 19:59:02 UTC
Tennej wrote:
Would the hi-secc'ers come back to the game?
Would tope prices come down?
Would more POS's be introduced into the game?
Would PLEX be affected at all?

Discuss

No, unless you mean bot miners, then yes.
Yes. They would crash so hard, that even bot miners would struggle to make a PLEX.
No.
No, the ice or mineral market prices aren't even relevant to PLEX prices. The only thing relevant to PLEX prices is what someone is willing to pay for one, that is it, period, full stop.

"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
GreenSeed
#12 - 2014-09-08 20:00:28 UTC
Why do you capitalize "ice"? its not an acronym.
Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
#13 - 2014-09-08 20:02:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Tennej
Mortimer Civeri wrote:
Tennej wrote:
Would the hi-secc'ers come back to the game?
Would tope prices come down?
Would more POS's be introduced into the game?
Would PLEX be affected at all?

Discuss

No, unless you mean bot miners, then yes.
Yes. They would crash so hard, that even bot miners would struggle to make a PLEX.
No.
No, the ice or mineral market prices aren't even relevant to PLEX prices. The only thing relevant to PLEX prices is what someone is willing to pay for one, that is it, period, full stop.


Catching a negative vibe here.......


There are still bots mining (as much as I hate them) .... maybe constellation randomization as somebody in a previous reply suggested might fix this.

You Miners think you have it so damn tough.  When I first started playing we didnt even have mining lasers.  You had to fly close to an asteroid.....pop a hatch and gnaw at it with your teeth.   - Bitter Vet
Paranoid Loyd
#14 - 2014-09-08 20:05:03 UTC
Mortimer Civeri wrote:
bot miners


This is why it will never go back.


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Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
#15 - 2014-09-08 20:11:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Tennej
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Mortimer Civeri wrote:
bot miners


This is why it will never go back.





It will never go back because CCP made a change and they don't undo changes.....no matter how bad the community may or may not want them to. In this case the days of the static ICE fields are over.... They may tweak them to some extent but thats about all you can hope for. I doubt bot miners had anything to do with the final decision to change ICE. Soundwave discussed this at length and made it clear that he felt that the resources provided by the static ICE belts were too much and didnt provide a point of conflict in the game. "He who controls the space oil"

You Miners think you have it so damn tough.  When I first started playing we didnt even have mining lasers.  You had to fly close to an asteroid.....pop a hatch and gnaw at it with your teeth.   - Bitter Vet
Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
#16 - 2014-09-08 20:33:32 UTC
Tennej wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Mortimer Civeri wrote:
bot miners


This is why it will never go back.





It will never go back because CCP made a change and they don't undo changes.....no matter how bad the community may or may not want them to.


False. Just in the short time I've been playing, they undid loot spew from exploration containers.

If anything, they need to do the same thing with asteroid belts they did with ice belts.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#17 - 2014-09-08 20:35:47 UTC
I'm of the opinion that the hardest part of ice mining should be finding it... but when you do it should be relatively lucrative.


I also think there should be a "Claims" system in place, where a miner (of any type) can stake a claim to a particular resource for a very limited amount of time.

If someone "jumps your claim" (which should be entirely possible) they forfeit all Concord protection.

It should always be apparent if a particular resource has a claim on it or not.

Selling or giving someone the rights to mine from a "claim" that you own should be perfectly doable.

Some resources deplete quickly... and when gone so is the claim.

Some resources stick around a long time (and are in high demand) but the claim may still be short term and not instantly renewable by the same person unless a very stiff price is paid for a "long term claim".

Needless to say, in all cases there should be no accurate way to determine when a particular resource is due to play out, ESPECIALLY in the case of resources worthy of an expensive "long term claim".

Mining should always be a little bit of a gamble.

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Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
#18 - 2014-09-08 20:41:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Tennej
Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:
Tennej wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Mortimer Civeri wrote:
bot miners


This is why it will never go back.





It will never go back because CCP made a change and they don't undo changes.....no matter how bad the community may or may not want them to.


False. Just in the short time I've been playing, they undid loot spew from exploration containers.

If anything, they need to do the same thing with asteroid belts they did with ice belts.


What you are saying isn't entirely true. They tweaked exploration some yes..... I will give you that however.... Exploration is in no way the way it was. Gone are the clunky mechanics for probes. Gone are the static 1/10 Plexs. And hello annoying hacking minigame.

I do agree with you on the regular rock belts a million times over.....gankers have it entirely too easy. Make em' work a little.

Topic tho is what if ICE was to change back to what it was and what the impacts (if any) would play out.

You Miners think you have it so damn tough.  When I first started playing we didnt even have mining lasers.  You had to fly close to an asteroid.....pop a hatch and gnaw at it with your teeth.   - Bitter Vet
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#19 - 2014-09-08 20:47:27 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Its a pretty dumb question really.

1. You already know the old mechanics.
2. No-one was driven away from high-sec, *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.
3. Changes to the game affect the economy.
4. PLEX are an element of the economy.
5. Increase in bots.

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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#20 - 2014-09-08 20:58:33 UTC
Limiting the resources drives the price up and therefor generates conflict. I think the situation is still developing, but I see more and more miners considering aggressive methods to secure their share of the ice. Meaningful conflict is the lifeblood of EVE, this change already drives meaningful conflicts and I think it will intensify even more.

Changing back to an infinite source would remove a great deal of potential content and fun from the game.

The "grinding for PLEX to get another month of boring grinding for PLEX"-playstyle should never be an argument for any change, because it has absolutely nothing to do with anything that makes this game fun and worth playing.

Evil RatKid
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